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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 25

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted DM Berger

    What does this even mean? What is 'deep connection' between human beings if it's not close friendship & intellectual connection but unique to sex? Penis or vagina length?https://twitter.com/DM_Berger/status/967959360222539776 …

    Helen Pluckrose added,

    DM Berger @DM_Berger
    Replying to @ViktoryusWykrum @HPluckrose
    "I am so deeply insecure and terrified of aloneness and the complicated realities of human connection that I need to frame everyday things like 'close friendship' and 'deep intellectual connection' as as deep as what normal people mean by things like 'love' and 'deep connection'"
    7:10 PM - 25 Feb 2018
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      2. DM Berger‏ @DM_Berger Feb 25
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        "Because I conceive of sex solely as flesh intersection, I have to mock anyone who thinks about sex as anything more as thinking about sex solely in terms of penises and vaginas"

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. OκULTRA XP 🧿‏ @0K_ultra Feb 25
        Replying to @DM_Berger @HPluckrose

        that's a really weird way to parse what Helen says.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. DM Berger‏ @DM_Berger Feb 25
        Replying to @0K_ultra @0knaomi @HPluckrose

        DM Berger Retweeted DM Berger

        I've interacted with you before, and I know you care about intellectual honesty to a degree, so you need to see the original context here. My main disagreement is with the idea that 'people who think "sex is necessary for real depth"' are shallow https://twitter.com/DM_Berger/status/967556940309000192 ….

        DM Berger added,

        DM Berger @DM_Berger
        Replying to @HPluckrose
        There's a semantic issue here. For many, especially males, "deeply connect" and "love" *by definition* mean an intensity that really *does* require the romantic and/or sexual element. Without those, the connection cannot be "nearly as deep". I.e. they'd say your standards for a >
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      5. Raymond McCue  💗⚤ 💜⚣ 💙,  🏳️‍🌈‏ @RayMcCue Feb 25
        Replying to @DM_Berger @0knaomi @HPluckrose

        She doesnt seem to be saying there isnt a unique depth that comes with sex, but rather there can be a depth in emotion without it. Its not a competing set, but rather just different ones. Why quibble about where the "real" depth is if you're lucky enough to experience either?

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      6. DM Berger‏ @DM_Berger Feb 25
        Replying to @RayMcCue @0knaomi @HPluckrose

        DM Berger Retweeted Helen Pluckrose

        Because in the original tweet (https://twitter.com/HPluckrose/status/967553894451642368 …), she mocked people who think sex makes for a truly deep connection as "lack[ing] emotion depth". I think this attitude is false, and pernicious for those for whom sex is not so trivial.

        DM Berger added,

        Helen Pluckrose @HPluckrose
        Here's a thing that really annoys me re gender relations. People who have trouble comprehending that heterosexual people of one sex can deeply connect & even love people of the other sex without there being any romantic/sexual element. They seriously lack emotional depth.
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      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 25
        Replying to @DM_Berger @RayMcCue @0knaomi

        That isn't what it says, is it?

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      8. DM Berger‏ @DM_Berger Feb 25
        Replying to @HPluckrose @RayMcCue @0knaomi

        It says that you don't have much requirements for what counts for people to "deeply connect", and that anyone who thinks sex is such a requirement (i.e. has stricter standards) is shallow. Not everyone needs to see such connections as "deep connections".

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      9. OκULTRA XP 🧿‏ @0K_ultra Feb 25
        Replying to @DM_Berger @HPluckrose @RayMcCue

        It's like a weird inversion of "tradmarriage / muh developed relationship" stuff (which usually operate on a variant of "a deep connection is necessary to justify having sex")

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
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      1. David‏ @wellydog67 Feb 25
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Who is this odd person pontificating at you?

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      1. Raymond McCue  💗⚤ 💜⚣ 💙,  🏳️‍🌈‏ @RayMcCue Feb 25
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        A shared sexual experience that gives a feeling of the sublime?

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