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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 25

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted DM Berger

      I don't think it's a majority position that closeness and connection requires sex/romantic love. I think most people have many purely intellectual/emotional friendships with members of a sex they are attracted to unless some ideology - religion, feminism - makes this impossible.https://twitter.com/DM_Berger/status/967623298598105088 …

      Helen Pluckrose added,

      DM Berger @DM_Berger
      Replying to @DM_Berger @Aim2Reason and 2 others
      with "freaks" here being purely rhetorical and not felt by me personally here. The point being that smug dismissal of a majority (or at least fairly common) position as indicating a lack of depth is just as likely to be some kind of projection as it is actual wisdom or insight.
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    2. DM Berger‏ @DM_Berger Feb 25
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      But now you've moved away from the *deep* connection and "love" context of your original tweet, which was what prompted my response. A "purely intellectual" connection is not, to many, what counts as deep. Likewise/esp. when the potential is there for sex. Standards, not shallow.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 25
      Replying to @DM_Berger

      Intellectual and emotional was what I said. Both of those things can make deep connections and the deepest of all is when both exist. Sexual attraction is not deep.

      5:56 AM - 25 Feb 2018
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        2. DM Berger‏ @DM_Berger Feb 25
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Maybe sex is that way *for you*. There's a world full of people out there that doesn't think so. They aren't shallow or lacking in emotional depth, either.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 25
          Replying to @DM_Berger

          You can consider me to lack sexual depth if you like. That would be fair. However, I will continue to consider people who cannot comprehend strong emotional connections which aren't sexual to lack emotional depth.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        4. DM Berger‏ @DM_Berger Feb 25
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          If they can't comprehend at all, sure. But if they just don't think the connections you are talking about count as deep *enough* to be "deep connection" or "love" (perhaps because sex is much larger for them), then they just are pickier about what counts there, not lacking depth.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 25
          Replying to @DM_Berger

          This is getting both silly & tedious now. If there are people who can't see any emotional or intellectual connection as deep unless they're also sticking their dick in the person, yes, they lack emotional depth. Marriage also likely to fail in old age.

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 25
          Replying to @HPluckrose @DM_Berger

          I've slept with one person for 18 years. I have deep intellectual and emotional connections with many other people, male and female. I pity anyone who doesn't or doesn't see these as a deep connection coz no sex. They miss out on so much.

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        7. DM Berger‏ @DM_Berger Feb 25
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Again you move away from the original context (where there is sexual potential) and again, you make the fallacious assumption that higher standards = missing out. A marriage can and does stale, and sex is often a culprit. And a deep marriage is unlikely to become one w/o the sex

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        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 25
          Replying to @DM_Berger

          That's not moving away from the context. There is always sexual potential but in most cases no attraction.

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