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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Jay & Violent Mob, Insert Tribal Identity Here‏ @JAndViolentMob Feb 11
      Replying to @dad_gc @AnneBrennan_ and

      I see your point. I personally believe this issue wouldn't be an inflammatory if our language lacked gendered pronouns. That being said, a person has a right to claim the gender that is culturally opposed to their sex, and request others respect this, though not force them to?

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    2. Jay & Violent Mob, Insert Tribal Identity Here‏ @JAndViolentMob Feb 11
      Replying to @JAndViolentMob @dad_gc and

      Surely, even in recognising biological sex, the issue of gender, and whether this should (?) align with sex in a traditional (male=man, female=woman) way or not, remains?

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    3. GenderCriticalDad‏ @dad_gc Feb 11
      Replying to @JAndViolentMob @AnneBrennan_ and

      It's all in the mapping and judgement. All based on culturally enforced stereotypes. Bringing the law into that is stupid as blasphemy laws.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    4. GenderCriticalDad‏ @dad_gc Feb 11
      Replying to @dad_gc @AnneBrennan_ and

      Gender is in the eye if the beholder, not an intrinsic attribute of people. You do not have to agree with me about how i describe myself.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. Jay & Violent Mob, Insert Tribal Identity Here‏ @JAndViolentMob Feb 11
      Replying to @dad_gc @AnneBrennan_ and

      Agreed, though I would say it's in the eye of the beholder and the beheld,. but surely even here it's a matter of basic respect to allow someone their identity, if it's doing no harm?

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    6. GenderCriticalDad‏ @dad_gc Feb 11
      Replying to @JAndViolentMob @AnneBrennan_ and

      That a matter of etiquette and should not be enforced, by law on women in sport, prisons, politics, dv shelters or choice of sexual partners

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    7. Jay & Violent Mob, Insert Tribal Identity Here‏ @JAndViolentMob Feb 11
      Replying to @dad_gc @AnneBrennan_ and

      Again though, how do we enforce that, because trans women are not going to be happy with a legal system that calls them men, and men only. Which is a proposition to create a double layer ID card, with "sex", and "gender" categories split.

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    8. GenderCriticalDad‏ @dad_gc Feb 11
      Replying to @JAndViolentMob @AnneBrennan_ and

      That's for them to sort out, without beating up women, or using kids as (v profitable) human shields. Society needs to accept them as men.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 11
      Replying to @dad_gc @AnneBrennan_ and

      Does society need to accept that people don't own other people's perceptions & that they can can use what pronouns they like or does it need to agree with you & say trans women are men?

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    10. GenderCriticalDad‏ @dad_gc Feb 11
      Replying to @HPluckrose @AnneBrennan_ and

      The user of pronouns is the speaker, not the person referenced.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 11
      Replying to @dad_gc @AnneBrennan_ and

      OK but does society need to let people use the pronouns they want for other people or does it need to use 'he' for trans women?

      4:15 AM - 11 Feb 2018
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        2. GenderCriticalDad‏ @dad_gc Feb 11
          Replying to @HPluckrose @AnneBrennan_ and

          You use the words you like, I'll use the words i like.

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        3. Jay & Violent Mob, Insert Tribal Identity Here‏ @JAndViolentMob Feb 11
          Replying to @dad_gc @HPluckrose and

          In a group scenario, as you've highlighted with your daughter, this can go terribly wrong if there's no kindness or respect.

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        4. GenderCriticalDad‏ @dad_gc Feb 11
          Replying to @JAndViolentMob @HPluckrose and

          Bollocks, if the group lies you don't support that lie.

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        5. Jay & Violent Mob, Insert Tribal Identity Here‏ @JAndViolentMob Feb 11
          Replying to @dad_gc @HPluckrose and

          It's less about "lies". If you tell a group, "I'm a man", the group should be kind and respect that, and say, "OK", not go on a mission to convince you otherwise. And that should be whether you are cis or trans.

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        6. Jay & Violent Mob, Insert Tribal Identity Here‏ @JAndViolentMob Feb 11
          Replying to @JAndViolentMob @dad_gc and

          And for clarity, I'd be all for challenging that group to respect the individuals request to be seen as this or that identity, so, yeah, we agree there.

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