How do we solve the conflict between some feminists, who seek to protect the identity "woman" & women-only roles/spaces from men/transwomen, & transwomen who do not want to be seen as men, but trans women?
@AnneBrennan_ @gogreen18 @HPluckrose @dad_gc @CHSommers @msjenniferjames
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Yeah, that is one of the hot points, I've noticed, that some people are *really* inflamed by the idea of using "cis". I use "cis" when it's semantically useful and can have no feeling that it undermines my identity, though I was resistant in the beginning.
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Kindness does seem to fly out the window on both sides quite often, because perhaps people on both sides feel their very identity is under attack by the other. Like the identities are mutually exclusive and only one can survive. So, it becomes a war.
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If I may respectfully add: as long as they’re real pronouns and not made up, complicated, BS pronouns.
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Explain. You mean real as in "he, her, they" and not "zhi, zher" etc,?
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Yes, but not the singular “they” in this context. I find it impossible to use it w/ a real person b/c they have a sex. “Gender neutral” is nonsense. It’s difficult to use language to accommodate the singular “they” when my concept of the person hasn’t changed.
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That's fair enough. I found it difficult in the beginning, and still do, but I'm willing to try on that one, as long as I'm not punished if I mess up from time to time.
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I think on a personal level that’s fair. I still object to the concept itself but I wouldn’t want to throw it in someone’s face in a personal interaction. I also think asking others to make extra mental effort just for you is a sure path to unpopularity but it’s their choice.
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Agreed. I reckon it's about having genuine, mutual respect.
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