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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 10
      Replying to @lizlozlizloz @GaiaRiot

      That would be good if it's doable. I don't know enough about economics to know how this would be paid for.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    2. Gaia Peregrine‏ @GaiaRiot Feb 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      https://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0512/maternity-leave-basics-canada-vs.-the-u.s..aspx …

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 10
      Replying to @GaiaRiot

      That doesn't say either. I'd feel guilty about it when resources for the elderly are already so limited and disability living allowance being cut and so many low income families reliant on food banks. If I could see a breakdown which doesn't take provision from anywhere else...

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    4. Gaia Peregrine‏ @GaiaRiot Feb 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      If our governments can find money for war they can sure as shit find money to actually help people.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 10
      Replying to @GaiaRiot

      I don't really know what that means, tbh. If money could be safely cut from defence, I'd like it to go to the NHS, services for the elderly, more tax credits for low income families. It shouldn't come to pay me to care for my own child.

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    6. Gaia Peregrine‏ @GaiaRiot Feb 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Then is motherhood not valuable at all? How is elderly and sick care valuable but not motherhood? Why would we pay for someone else to care for our children but we shouldn’t get paid to care for our own children?

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 10
      Replying to @GaiaRiot

      Yes, of course it is. Because elderly and sick people cannot care for themselves. Because they're our children.We are responsible for them. Obviously, I am not talking about people who can't work and provide for their kids or who do but still need help. No money should come to me

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    8. Lizzy‏ @lizlozlizloz Feb 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @GaiaRiot

      Do you feel we pay too much here in the UK? Legally we are allowed to take 52 weeks off work. Pay wise we get 90% of full pay for first 6 weeks and then statutory government pay of £140 a week for up to 39 weeks.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 10
      Replying to @lizlozlizloz @GaiaRiot

      We do? I just got 12 weeks pay. I think holding people's jobs for them is good and I think that a means-tested increase of benefits for mothers of babies also seems reasonable.

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    10. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @GaiaRiot

      I don't know enough about how the economy works but I'm just not sure 'because I want to be with my baby 24/7' is a good enough reason to be paid not to work once recovered from birth.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 10
      Replying to @HPluckrose @GaiaRiot

      I think that becomes a lifestyle choice then and must be worked out and planned for by a couple. My adult daughter is currently working a job she dislikes to save up money to have a baby and take a year off.

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        2. Gaia Peregrine‏ @GaiaRiot Feb 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          We need to value families above and beyond economics/capitalism.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 10
          Replying to @GaiaRiot

          I don't know that that means anything. I do value my family over economics and capitalism but I also value other people's wellbeing and I'm not prepared to take money which could be spent on vulnerable people for looking after my own house and family.

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        4. Gaia Peregrine‏ @GaiaRiot Feb 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Most people having kids are vulnerable. Everyone should be able to take care of their own children for up to a year. biologically/psychologically/sociologically speaking: we need to. Forming secure bonds takes longer than a few weeks. Breastfeeding is crucial and takes time, too.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 10
          Replying to @GaiaRiot

          I think we're just going to keep going over the same area so I'll leave it here.

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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        2. Lizzy‏ @lizlozlizloz Feb 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose @GaiaRiot

          Yes I think to some extent you’re right but Public Health recommend 6 months of exclusive breastfeeding, plus the idea of extending leave for up to 52 weeks was to include fathers to take more paternity leave. Though most don’t actually take that up.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 10
          Replying to @lizlozlizloz @GaiaRiot

          Yes, and this should be facilitated. I saw a horrible thing that I think was in the US of a woman ordered to do jury service whilst breastfeeding and then charged for bringing her baby with her so she could.

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