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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 9

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Jonathan Cast

    You do when it's impacting on you. No-one has the free speech right to persistently make sexual advances at someone else at work after they've asked them to stop. Their employer can & should require them to behave professionally and leave their colleagues alone to work.https://twitter.com/jonathanccast/status/962016009891794944 …

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    Jonathan Cast @jonathanccast
    Replying to @HPluckrose
    This is the thing. You don't have a right to control other people's behavior. It's polite to stop when you're asked to, but it's also your free speech right nor to. Firing someone for that, let alone prosecuting them, is pretty ridiculous.
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      2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 9

        I had a job interview in a university with strongly intersectional ethos. I'd signed my commitment to gender/racial/LGBT equality & so if I'd got the job & intersectionals hadn't left me alone after I told them I did not want to discuss, I'd have complained of hostile environment

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 9

        Because I believe I have the right to work without being purity tested on my politics or lectured at. Anyway, after initial enthusiasm, I didn't get shortlisted. I have no idea why...

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      2. Jonathan Cast‏ @jonathanccast Feb 9
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        If it's "persistent" to the point where that person isn't getting their own work done, you don't need a sexual harassment policy to deal with it. If you can't get your work done because of what other people are saying to you, you need to grow up and become a professional.

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      3. MrOzAtheist‏ @MrOzAtheist Feb 9
        Replying to @jonathanccast @HPluckrose

        Why do you think the person receiving the unwanted sexual advances needs to ‘grow up and become a professional’ but not the person making the unwanted sexual advances?

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      2. Jonathan Cast‏ @jonathanccast Feb 9
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Here's the thing. Human beings will never be completely comfortable unless they can completely control every aspect of their surroundings. You have to learn to live with a certain level of discomfort in order to allow others freedom.

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      3. Jay & Violent Mob, Insert Tribal Identity Here‏ @JAndViolentMob Feb 9
        Replying to @jonathanccast @HPluckrose

        You're not describing a certain level of discomfort. You're describing persistent, hostile, bullying behaviour, or harassment if it's sexually based.

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      4. Jay & Violent Mob, Insert Tribal Identity Here‏ @JAndViolentMob Feb 9
        Replying to @JAndViolentMob @jonathanccast @HPluckrose

        I agree, though, that for low levels of "banter" etc., yeah, it would be great if people could grow a back bone and, if uncomfortable, just say "stop". But there, the other person should stop. That's kind of the deal in human interactions. *The* social contract. You know?

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      1. HereForTheCovfefe‏ @TreasonWatch Feb 9
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        It's amazing how some people cannot see the difference between harassment and free speech. It's like saying "my religion says it's ok to kill certain people, therefore I am immune to punishment because I have freedom of religion".

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      1. Jay & Violent Mob, Insert Tribal Identity Here‏ @JAndViolentMob Feb 9
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I'm wondering, is @jonathanccast actually saying that though, that a person should have a right to say "I find you attractive", and not have to stop, even when told, at work? If he is, he's wrong, because that's harassment.

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      1. Chris Colose‏ @CColose Feb 9
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        why is this controversial?

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      2. Jonathan Cast‏ @jonathanccast Feb 9
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        *Words* "impacting" is such a millennial thing to say I can't even. "Impact" means to physically collide with. You're literally saying that your emotional reaction to something is the same as them physically hurting you.

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      3. It's Tardigrades all the way down‏ @not_that_CK Feb 9
        Replying to @jonathanccast @HPluckrose

        You still going with this? Why are you persisting? You are completely wrong here. It is the definition of harassment to continue after you have been asked to quit it.

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