When did i deny that? He gave the ultimate reasons and she is confusing proximate vs ultimate reasons
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Replying to @HPluckrose @IonaItalia
He probably misspoke at the end, but what he says brings up a point, men overestimate womens interest in them, so an attractive women wearing scantily clad clothes/makeup and talking to some men will cause some misunderstanding which could lead to harrassement
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Replying to @nice_hypothesis @IonaItalia
What next? 'If you have an expensive car, someone might try to steal it because cars can be sold for money and money can be exchanged for goods and services which people want.'
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Replying to @HPluckrose @IonaItalia
Thats not an equivalent argument. When people show off their gold or leave their door open and get robbed, a lot of people say "should have locked the door or you shouldnt have been showing off" this isnt victim blaming its telling the individual what to do
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Replying to @nice_hypothesis @IonaItalia
Yes, it is. We all know that some people will try to take what they want from other people. Whether or not it's ok to tell people how to avoid this is another matter. You should be able to wear lipstick or a Rolex to work without getting harassed or robbed.
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No, it isn't victim-blaming. These exchanges are so tiring. A: "X increases Y. Reducing X could help reduce Y" B: "We should be allowed to do X without Y." A: "I agree. But the reality is X increases Y". B: "You're victim-blaming anyone who does X". B is acting in bad faith.
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Replying to @DM_Berger @HPluckrose and
Looking good for work gives a woman(or a man) a huge payoff in how her competency is evaluated. It probably has an infinitesimal relation to whether she will be sexually harassed. So that's why the whole argument is ridiculous.
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Replying to @low_tex @HPluckrose and
Yes, postulating that the increasingly sexualized self-presentation of modern women and the growing panic over sexual harassment in the workplace is unrelated is totally ridiculous...
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Replying to @DM_Berger @low_tex and
More to the point, saying that anyone who speculates about causes is "victim-blaming" is casuistry, and I find it annoying that someone who speaks out against the sloppy reasoning of bad postmodernism and the like would engage in such reasoning.
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Oh! Did you think my 'yes, it is' was 'yes, it is victim blaming?' No. It was 'yes, it is an equivalent argument.' Then I said victim blaming wasn't really the issue (a different matter) before saying we shld focus on ppl's right to work safely.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @low_tex and
Aaaagh, yup, I see what happened. So we actually agree, the arguments are indeed fairly equivalent.
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