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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. DM Berger‏ @DM_Berger Feb 8
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      That is exactly what it looks to me like you are doing to @nice_hypothesis here, and exactly what I think most people are doing to JBP's point as well.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 8
      Replying to @DM_Berger @nice_hypothesis

      It can be true both that looking attractive increases risk of sexual harassment and that women should be able to look attractive without being harassed. You can think that focusing on the latter without considering not doing the former as a solution is reasonable.

      6:57 PM - 8 Feb 2018
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        2. Positive Improvement‏ @PositiveImprove Feb 8
          Replying to @HPluckrose @DM_Berger @nice_hypothesis

          The issue is the first is describing reality as it is and the second is describing reality as it should be. Many believe that the latter is an impossible goal in that harassment will always take place.

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        3. Positive Improvement‏ @PositiveImprove Feb 8
          Replying to @PositiveImprove @HPluckrose and

          As such, it makes practical sense to at least discuss the factors that do in reality affect the likelihood of being harassed, and allow individuals to modify those factors if they want to decrease their risks.

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        2. Andrew Burton‏ @burtonad Feb 8
          Replying to @PrudeDogg @HPluckrose and

          Yeah, this is bullshit. I met my wife through work. Our professional dealings were professional; we had social encounters that led to dates that led to engagement and marriage.

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        3. Andrew Burton‏ @burtonad Feb 8
          Replying to @burtonad @PrudeDogg and

          Harassment usually involves one or more of the following: behaving like an asshole, which can include persistent advances after being told they’re not welcome; confusing social behavior with professional conduct; and misuse of power.

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        1. elizabeth‏ @elizpingree Feb 8
          Replying to @HPluckrose @DM_Berger @nice_hypothesis

          Thank you!!!!

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        2. Forgotten ancestors‏ @nice_hypothesis Feb 8
          Replying to @HPluckrose @DM_Berger

          Yes but the claim "women should be able to look attractive without harrassement" is a normative claim not an empirical one, while everyone can agree with the morals of it, it doesnt actually get to the crux of the issue which is why feminists postulate rape etc has 2 do w/power

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        3. Kareem Sabri‏ @kareem_sabri Feb 8
          Replying to @nice_hypothesis @HPluckrose @DM_Berger

          Huh? A normative claim is just something to aim at. What else would we aim at? Burkas? Workplace segregation?

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        1. DM Berger‏ @DM_Berger Feb 8
          Replying to @HPluckrose @nice_hypothesis

          Absolutely.

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