How did I say it was okay? Why dont you address the argument that, scantily clad clothes will attract negative attention from some men, thats something that will happen because there are shitty men
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Replying to @nice_hypothesis @IonaItalia
You think someone's denying that attractive women get sexually harassed by men coz some men are shitty? Who? There's just been a whole thing about it.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @IonaItalia
Her reply to me was accusing me of accepting women being groped? My only argument is that, she is mixing up normative statements and empirical ones, which isnt actually helping solve anything
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Replying to @nice_hypothesis @IonaItalia
But why reply to someone saying that sexual harassment happens by insisting that sexual harassment happens? And why respond to someone saying sexual harassment of school children in their uniforms happens by saying this will happen if women dress attractively?
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Replying to @HPluckrose @IonaItalia
I only responded to her first statement i didnt read the rest of her thread. She is against JP cause she is misconatruing JPs arguments and claiming he is victim blaming, when all he is doing is giving Evo answers for why women behave the way they do
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Replying to @nice_hypothesis @IonaItalia
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No, evolutionary drivers for behaviours are different to individual organisms conscious intentions.https://twitter.com/hpluckrose/status/961781177484005376 …
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Helen Pluckrose @HPluckroseYeah, seems to be a confusion of the evolutionary driver for women to make such effort with their appearance and women's conscious intention. This is usually done naively by people who don't understand evolution well but seems unlikely here! https://twitter.com/mjaeckel/status/961659931526074368 …Show this thread1 reply 1 retweet 3 likes -
Replying to @HPluckrose @IonaItalia
When did i deny that? He gave the ultimate reasons and she is confusing proximate vs ultimate reasons
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Replying to @HPluckrose @IonaItalia
He probably misspoke at the end, but what he says brings up a point, men overestimate womens interest in them, so an attractive women wearing scantily clad clothes/makeup and talking to some men will cause some misunderstanding which could lead to harrassement
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Replying to @nice_hypothesis @IonaItalia
Feminists and non-feminists alike have been saying this happens all the time.
#MeToo
just happened. I very much doubt his only point was to tell people that men make unwanted & persistent advances to friendly, attractive women.3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
He said that women bear some responsibility for this & perhaps men and women shouldn't work together. In reality, the vast majority of men will not harass women because they have empathy for their fellow human beings.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @IonaItalia
Ofcourse vast majority of men will never do that, but workplace harrassement is always going to continue happening because there are some men who do, and some men who misread the situation, the situation is overblown because of feminists make it out to be something rampant
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