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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 6

      I really don't understand premodern fetishists. I'd be dead at least 8 times already if it weren't for modern medicine. Not that I'd ever have been born because my father was premature at 1lb and my mother was in a fire as a child and needed skin grafts to survive.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 6

      You really don't want to live in a premodern state, people. The saddest thing for me studying it was that parents simply couldn't psychologically afford to love their children. They were so much more likely to die than survive, they had to harden themselves until teenage years.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 6

      Imagine having 15 pregnancies but ending up with 1,2 or 3 adult offspring. Imagine losing 12 or 13 children between birth and 10. You couldn't survive it if you let yourself love them unreservedly. Then look at your little ones and imagine missing out on being able to love them.

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        1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 6

          It's no good saying slavery, colonialism, high infant mortality, oppression of women & LGBTs happened in modern era so it's bad. That's to miss that they happened in every other era. Look at the one that worked its way out of them. Don't undervalue this unless you want to go back

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        2. Prez Cannady‏ @prezcannady Feb 6
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          While I agree that pre-modernity was a shithole, I do prefer their attitudes towards parenting and love. Today's sort irritates me to know end, especially when it encroaches on my favorite watering holes as hospitality embraces families above all else.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 6
          Replying to @prezcannady

          You prefer not being able to love your children and having to get married?

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        4. Prez Cannady‏ @prezcannady Feb 6
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I'm not a big fan of "love" as the basis for much of anything, least of all commitments that last decades. I find obligation, ruthlessly enforced by society and law, with clear boundaries for breaks and breathers and even dismissal, far more appealing.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 6
          Replying to @prezcannady

          OK. I prefer my children to live and to be able to choose my partner and leave him or her if I am unhappy.

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        6. Prez Cannady‏ @prezcannady Feb 6
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          And we've built up a mighty social support structure so parents could pursue their happiness. Often at the expense of non-parents.

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        2. Steve Mundie‏ @SteveMundie Feb 7
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Women, until recently, spent their fertile years pregnant or nursing and were a hundred times more likely to die from childbirth than today. Perhaps, misogyny exists because it will take more than 200 yrs to escape the gravitational pull of a fact that existed for a 100,000 yrs.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 7
          Replying to @SteveMundie

          I don't see why that fact should result in misogyny.

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        4. Steve Mundie‏ @SteveMundie Feb 7
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Parents related to children differently because kids died so early and regularly. Men related differently to women, emotionally, educationally etc.. because they were pregnant, nursing or dying regularly. (Misogyny perhaps wasn’t the right term, ‘gender discrimination’ better?)

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        1. Kisanet Beyene‏ @KisanetBeyene77 Feb 6
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Easy to imagine if you look at your own ancestors. My g-g grandmother had 12 pregnancies, 6 survived to age 20.

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        1. Kareem Sabri‏ @kareem_sabri Feb 6
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          Three of Darwin’s 10 children died in childhood! Less than 200 years ago.

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        1. Jake Eschen‏ @JakeEschen Feb 7
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          Most women wouldn't have 15 pregnancies. A woman had a 1 in 20 chance of dying in childbirth. The probability of dying in childbirth by the 14th was more than half.

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        1. Barry Purcell‏ @solo1y Feb 7
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          From what I know, parents centuries ago seemed to be a lot less attached to newborn babies, perhaps because of this. In Korea, they celebrate if a baby makes it out of the danger zone (first nine months) as "begill".

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