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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 6

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Dermot O'Sullivan

      Well, that's not fair! I want to live now because I'm unlikely to die in childbirth, my kids are all likely to survive, I can vote, own property, control my own movements, have human rights, be free of lice & parasites, be atheist, have antibiotics, dentistry, survive plaguehttps://twitter.com/derryborndo/status/961043032505307136 …

      Helen Pluckrose added,

      Dermot O'Sullivan @derryborndo
      Replying to @HPluckrose
      Helen, I think I could probably list some bullet points. But I'd be interested in your (abstract, rather than concrete) examples of late medieval horrors in contrast to modern ones. 1 rule: you can't mention anything that Pinker mentioned in "Better Angels..."!
      6 replies 5 retweets 38 likes
    2. Dermot O'Sullivan‏ @derryborndo Feb 6
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I don't think Pinker mentions property rights: that's very Lockean and Niall Fergusonian. It looks q convincing, esp. in the contrast between N & S American development 1600-1900, but one wonders if the concentration of property into much fewer hands mitigates it nowadays. Cheers

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 6
      Replying to @derryborndo

      Fewer hands? You think a larger proportion of society owned property in medieval times than now?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Dermot O'Sullivan‏ @derryborndo Feb 6
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Not at all. Ferguson refers to the incentive 4 indentured immigrants to America to do their time & then be guaranteed a piece of land after x years. Petty estates lead to competition & tech innovation then ind. rev - good argument. Yet it also leads to concentration of ownership.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 6
      Replying to @derryborndo

      Well more people might have owned their own land in America in medieval times because there was so much of it but I don't know Native American history? Did individuals own land then?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Dermot O'Sullivan‏ @derryborndo Feb 6
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Dunno. I am referring to the European immigrants. Ferguson says that was the deal for the European settlers in the 16 and 1700s. 5 or 10 years of being an indentured servant, then you get your own amount of acres to do with as you please. + proto-democracy of the land-owners.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 6
      Replying to @derryborndo

      That's the modern period. Did things get better or not?

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    8. Dermot O'Sullivan‏ @derryborndo Feb 6
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Of course. Ferguson ascribes progress to many having smallish shareholdings. My point is that the ownership has conglomerated into bigger holdings in fewer hands. So you have to ascribe progress since, say, the late C19th, to other variables - e.g. culture of science & tech.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 6
      Replying to @derryborndo

      Which is a product of modernity. I don't know where you're going here. Do you think you are better off now than you would have been in the medieval period or not?

      5:50 PM - 6 Feb 2018
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        2. Dermot O'Sullivan‏ @derryborndo Feb 6
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Of course I do. I am positing that the Lockean idea of petty bourgeois property rights as a take-off to economic growth worked: N America, in contrast to S America and its latifundia, was built on small estates. But they are no longer the dominant form of land ownership.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 6
          Replying to @derryborndo

          This doesn't appear to have any relation to anything I'm saying. America happened in the modern period.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Dermot O'Sullivan‏ @derryborndo Feb 6
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          OK, I happen to think that you have to go back to proto- and Enlightenment ideas to get a hang on the rise of the U.S. but that requires essays (& possibly a lifetime of study) from both of us. I think we should leave it there & thx for the convo. Sláinte.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 6
          Replying to @derryborndo

          Not to mention Rome! But I still don't get how this relates to my claim that things are better now than in the medieval period.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Dermot O'Sullivan‏ @derryborndo Feb 6
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Yes, all is better now than the Medieval. & the BBC4 tendency of historians to be its apologists, rather than its explainers, irks, or, as Mrs. Bennet would say, vexes me. 1 does need to understand WW Rostow's "take-off to economic growth" to get the conditions for the modern.

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        7. Dermot O'Sullivan‏ @derryborndo Feb 6
          Replying to @derryborndo @HPluckrose

          Hang on, that last sentence is pompous piffle. I mean, we need a certain amount of economic growth to get the conditions for the modern.

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