I'm glad she's drawn the analogy with condemning all Muslims tout court. 'Do not ascribe statistical averages to individuals' is really bloody important.https://harpers.org/archive/2018/02/the-other-whisper-network/ …
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I used to be at the criminal bar, so I can see both sides of this. Some men probably should be in gaol. Others probably need to read Ovid or Debrett's and stop using poor social skills as an excuse for their charm deficit.
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I don't think people need to excuse this tho. Some people have shit social skills. There's a limit to how much time they should have to spend improving them. Some basics will do.
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*True Tory*: I'm not fond of excuses. In my tradition, 'try harder or expect a big fat zero' is legitimate advice :)
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I'm suggesting people with low social skills don't need to be excused. Other people can just deal with it. There are way more important things to spend time learning. You only really need learn them if you want to spend a lot of time being social & care about doing it well.
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Or if they're lads and want a shag :)
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Yes, there is that. I don't object to them being told to do better if they want to achieve a specific social outcome. It's the idea that there is a moral imperative to keep up with the ever changing social rules or be deemed abusive of women that bothers me.
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On that we are ad idem.
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I have noticed that we have a habit of coming at things from different angles but finding ourselves in the same place. This makes me optimistic.
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you, like roiphe, care more about men’s reputations than women’s safety.
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That assumes that women who are subjected to clumsy passes or consensually shag their bosses are unsafe. These are not the same as rape or stalking or papering over pretended consent with NDAs.
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i’m gonna keep on supporting women who say they’ve felt unsafe. good luck on your Men’s Rights crusade.
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Identitarian nonsense. If women say they feel unsafe because someone asked them for coffee, advise them to seek help! Don't indulge it. We made such great strides breaking down stereotypes of women as hysterical, fragile & unable to cope in the public sphere. Don't throw it away.
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That would be mansplaining, surely?
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Nothing less than dykesplaining if it's me doing it ;)
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