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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 4

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Michael A. Lowry

      It is difficult because it seems a line does need to be drawn somewhere between the burqa and public naked sex & that will always be, to some extent, arbitrary. There is no factual line. This genuinely is a social construct. We have to argue for where we think it should be & whyhttps://twitter.com/mlowry/status/960119315365326848 …

      Helen Pluckrose added,

      Michael A. Lowry @mlowry
      Replying to @HPluckrose
      Modesty codes are fascinating. Millions criticize other cultures’ modesty codes without realizing that they unquestioningly take their own culture’s modest code for granted and assume it is the one true & correct way to behave.
      9 replies 5 retweets 37 likes
    2. Paul Verity‏ @PaulieVerity Feb 4
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      As I think about it a bit more, why does there need to be line drawn? If we believe in free speech, then surely that entails free dress as well. how does it not? If free speech is a human right, then surely free dress is too. They are both forms of freedom of expression.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 4
      Replying to @PaulieVerity

      It can't be rationalised. It's a disgust response and it's probably not going away. We're a long way from people being happy to see someone masturbating on the bus when they're taking their kids to school even if they did so hygienically.

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    4. Paul Verity‏ @PaulieVerity Feb 4
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      ok so free dress to you is a man masturbating on a school bus. Pretty sure that most people wouldn't do that, because of morals etc So if we cant trust people to choose their own dress, then forcing women to dress modestly is ok? That really is the end of your argument here.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 4
      Replying to @PaulieVerity

      That was my point in the first place! That there needs to be some line between burqas and public naked sex and that wherever it is will always be somewhat arbitrary. It genuinely is a social construct and we need to argue for where that is.

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    6. Paul Verity‏ @PaulieVerity Feb 4
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Nudity & public naked sex aren't the same thing Not being clothed is not the same thing as being available for sex. They are two very different things and I"m surprised you are conflating the two. What we wear & what we say should be free, providing it doesnt cause harm to others

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 4
      Replying to @PaulieVerity

      The scale is 'modesty' in relation to concepts of sexual appropriateness.

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    8. Paul Verity‏ @PaulieVerity Feb 4
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Is a naked human immodest or sexual? Or is it just what it is? A naked human like we all are? Modesty is a judgement and I'm a bit sad that you have decided to judge as to what is modest and what is not? Who gave you that right to decide what is modest?

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 4
      Replying to @PaulieVerity

      It was you who said 'No public sex because people have morals', not me. Your line is obviously where sexuality is concerned. OK, mine probably is too. But this is still largely arbitrary. Sex is natural. The other animals don't worry. Can't rationalise it.

      10:18 AM - 4 Feb 2018
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        1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 4
          Replying to @HPluckrose @PaulieVerity

          Why do you always miss the point and get antagonistic about it? It's beyond tiresome. I really have had enough now.

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