No, actually the fact that women choose STEM least where they have most freedom to choose supports the ample evidence that men and women have different interests on average. https://twitter.com/inquirer2772/status/959605964273016834 …
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That women have the highest mathematical attainment in societies with more women in parliament strongly suggests a stereotyping effecthttps://www.researchgate.net/publication/40906547_Cross-National_Patterns_of_Gender_Differences_in_Mathematics_A_Meta-Analysis …
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Replying to @moh_kohn @HPluckrose
Any hypothesis also needs to explain this bizarre trend. Innate interests can't.pic.twitter.com/4L5RcFffX1
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Your first tweet is irrelevant: interest and competence are different things. There seems to be innate differences in preferences, but not in average performance. As a country becomes more gender equal, the performance gap diminishes while the interest one increases.
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Replying to @amiguello1 @HPluckrose
Actually this meta-analysis distinguishes ability and attainment, try again. I'm not taking a hard position that there is no innate interest gap. I'm saying that hypothesis doesn't have sufficient explanatory power.
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But that's OK. There is no lack of people looking at differences as socialised and a result of discrimination. That has been orthodoxy for about 50 years now. It was when someone tried to look at it biologically, just once, that everyone lost their shit and he got fired.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @amiguello1
Now wait a minute, "this is wrong" and "you should be fired for saying this" are two different propositions. Of course workers are fired for speech all the time and it is generally Damore's dreaded "left" defending them. But that's by the by. 1/2
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If the Damore + supporters argumen is just "men and women may have some innate differences," there's not much to disagree with. If it's "Those differences express the same way in all societies and are the main factor in employment gender gaps" then the case has not been made.
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Yes, it is. Those differences are pan-cultural but the extent to which they express relates to the extent to which they are allowed to. No, the case has not been made. It seems extremely likely that different choices made are the main driver of different representations...
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given the enormous body of evidence for gender differences in interests. Here is an excellent metastudy - https://heterodoxacademy.org/2017/08/25/the-most-authoritative-review-paper-on-gender-differences/ … However, it's very difficult to try to study how this works in practice without getting fired or vilified or just not getting funded.
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I don't want to claim that there is no discrimination against or discouragement of women in tech, engineering, physics or men in psychology, healthcare or education. This could be happening. I'd just like to be able to look at behavioural science too.
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