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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 3

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted

      No, actually the fact that women choose STEM least where they have most freedom to choose supports the ample evidence that men and women have different interests on average. https://twitter.com/inquirer2772/status/959605964273016834 …

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    2. Alistair Davidson  🍞 🌹 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿‏ @moh_kohn Feb 3
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      That women have the highest mathematical attainment in societies with more women in parliament strongly suggests a stereotyping effecthttps://www.researchgate.net/publication/40906547_Cross-National_Patterns_of_Gender_Differences_in_Mathematics_A_Meta-Analysis …

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    3. Alistair Davidson  🍞 🌹 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿‏ @moh_kohn Feb 3
      Replying to @moh_kohn @HPluckrose

      Any hypothesis also needs to explain this bizarre trend. Innate interests can't.pic.twitter.com/4L5RcFffX1

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 3
      Replying to @moh_kohn

      No? Is it not possible that women got more freedom of choice in this time? Having lived through it, I'd suggest they did.

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    5. Alistair Davidson  🍞 🌹 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿‏ @moh_kohn Feb 3
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      So the hypothesis is now "There is an innate gender gap in interest in computer science, but no such gap in physical sciences - and until the mid 80s this was disguised by women being forced into computer science"? It's possible, but very elaborate

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 3
      Replying to @moh_kohn

      No. There are gaps all over the physical sciences with women dominating some areas and men others. But during the 80s, equal pay laws came into effect and women were more able to do what they really wanted. Also tech became increasingly...well, technical.

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        2. Kareem Sabri‏ @kareem_sabri Feb 3
          Replying to @HPluckrose @moh_kohn

          People usually don’t mention computing underwent a complete revolution in the late 80s and the field of comp sci changed drastically with the introduction of the microprocessor. Nothing pre-microprocessor would be considered a computer in the modern sense.

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        3. Kareem Sabri‏ @kareem_sabri Feb 3
          Replying to @kareem_sabri @HPluckrose @moh_kohn

          Sorry, late 70s

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        4. Forbin Project‏ @ForbinP Feb 3
          Replying to @kareem_sabri @HPluckrose @moh_kohn

          ..and I suspect that a generation of boys who got interested via 1980s home computers could be a big factor. Use of %ages in that graph may obscure that "growth spurt".

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        2. Call It Like It is‏ @CallingLikeItIs Feb 3
          Replying to @HPluckrose @moh_kohn

          yes, that chart above is too simple to see patterns. See this one and the patterns are more clear:pic.twitter.com/Y3f2ejGV1Q

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        3. Nate in Seattle‏ @n8r0n74 Feb 3
          Replying to @CallingLikeItIs @HPluckrose @moh_kohn

          Since total (US) female labor force participation hasn't changed much since the late 80s, it wouldn't be reasonable to expect increasing female presence everywhere. Some shift of preferences seems normal.https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS11300002 …

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        4. Call It Like It is‏ @CallingLikeItIs Feb 3
          Replying to @n8r0n74 @HPluckrose @moh_kohn

          There are simply different preferences. I saw this quote (from a biologist I think?), "sexual dimorphism doesn't stop at the neck." Go to a physics conference ~90% male, especially areas relying on abstract math. Go to a veterinary conference or teacher's conference ~80% female.

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        5. Nate in Seattle‏ @n8r0n74 Feb 3
          Replying to @CallingLikeItIs @HPluckrose @moh_kohn

          The extent to which differences are innate, vs conditioned by society, is a difficult question to answer. But, by the time we enter the workforce as adults, the differences have manifested.

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        6. Call It Like It is‏ @CallingLikeItIs Feb 3
          Replying to @n8r0n74 @HPluckrose @moh_kohn

          Yeah, except there research on human infants, rhesus monkeys and chimpanzees that all show similar differences in behaviors. My favorite was the few male monkeys who played w/dolls, for example. They smashed them around while the female monkeys held them.https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13596-male-monkeys-prefer-boys-toys/ …

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        7. Nate in Seattle‏ @n8r0n74 Feb 3
          Replying to @CallingLikeItIs @HPluckrose @moh_kohn

          That’s good evidence that *differences* exist, but multiple steps away from supporting differences b/w M-F representation w/in different scientific fields.

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        8. Call It Like It is‏ @CallingLikeItIs Feb 3
          Replying to @n8r0n74 @HPluckrose @moh_kohn

          There's other stuff, too. The general theme is interest in people vs things (e.g. dolls vs mechanical toys), which you can also see in the choice of majors...e.g. educating kids vs computer science "things". I'm not an expert, but that's what I've read from the experts.

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        9. Nate in Seattle‏ @n8r0n74 Feb 3
          Replying to @CallingLikeItIs @HPluckrose @moh_kohn

          I think attempting to isolate a "ppl vs things" preference is woefully inadequate in terms of predicting specific fields of employment. It also says nothing about why women's involvement in comp sci in the US has dropped so much in the last generation.

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