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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 1

    It is probably not a coincidence that the people who accuse others of 'telling X group what to think/how to feel' are the same people who don't know how to make an argument & don't even seem to think this is the way to address issues.

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      2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 1

        They are the people who think every essay should be about lived experiences or they act as tho they do. They'll tell you (me) angrily that you shouldn't write about issues that don't match your identity & when asked why, reply that its talking for or over that group.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 1

        They accuse men of telling women what it's like to be a woman, white people of telling PoC what its like to be a PoC & trans ppl what it's like to be trans even when they're not writing accounts of experiences but ethical and/or factual arguments.

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      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 1

        This is because they truly think this is where knowledge comes from - where a person is situated by their identity within the epistemological system that is society. An essay on this is forthcoming, btw.

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 1

        It is really important to understand the internal logic of this thinking or, more properly, the premises that underlie it. The premises are nuts but the thinking that derives from them is logical. It's a bizarre way of looking at the world but it is more coherent than it seems.

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      6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 1

        And we can't counter it if we dismiss it superficially as identity politics, racism, sexism, hypocrisy, inconsistency because that is understanding the visible symptoms through a rational and universal liberal ethic & they're not doing that.

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      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 1

        We need to convince them they should do that but this won't work if we critique them on rational and universal grounds. They already know they don't do that and have no wish to. We must make them wish to & that requires meeting them where they are.

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      2. flabberghosted(Am I an NPC?)‏ @observeaddict Feb 1
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        It is so odd that a way of thinking that values the uniqueness and importance of an n = 1 narrative also adheres to a simplistic standard group identity narrative for any given group identity

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 1
        Replying to @observeaddict

        That is consistent with the belief that people's knowledge is constructed by their position within an epistemological system.

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      4. flabberghosted(Am I an NPC?)‏ @observeaddict Feb 1
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I just can’t wrap my head around it even though I see the phenomenon. Does it translate to predestination when considering future society? I look forward to the essay.

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 1
        Replying to @observeaddict

        Kind of. The speech policing is about trying to reconstruct a world where people aren't marginalised. Because social reality is made up by dominant discourses, this is achieved by trying to control what they are.

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      6. Anna Earl‏ @AnnaEarl11 Feb 1
        Replying to @HPluckrose @observeaddict

        Hmm. Think I have opposite view. Lived experience certainly opened my eyes 2 how exhausting poverty is. But people speaking out abt social issues often don't have it & so make wrong emphasis eg micro aggressions

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      7. Anna Earl‏ @AnnaEarl11 Feb 1
        Replying to @AnnaEarl11 @HPluckrose @observeaddict

        Another example: assuming parents are wrong / not experts about child's disability

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      8. Mild mannered janitor.‏ @CBrenchley Feb 2
        Replying to @AnnaEarl11 @HPluckrose @observeaddict

        Had a HUGE falling out with people over this. “You don’t have X, so you can’t understand what it’s like for your child, you can’t advocate for them properly.” Really gets my goat!

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      9. Anna Earl‏ @AnnaEarl11 Feb 2
        Replying to @CBrenchley @HPluckrose @observeaddict

        Not quite what I meant. Was thinking along lines of initial diagnosis, more that professionals don't always listen to parents as they are not experts and I'm not talking all the time. Think I'll shut up now...

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