Freedom is should be a vitally important thing to liberals, but it is not the only important thing. I notice a tendency for some classical liberals and those on the more libertarian end to think that ethical evaluation ends at "Did you choose to do this freely?"
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I am speaking of those things people must have the right to make their own choices about. "Because I have the right to" is not an ethical rationale for thinking, saying, doing a thing. There needs to be more than this.
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And, of course, I am not saying we have the right to demand people justify themselves or that "calling out" people we disagree with is a helpful thing to do. But I think we can continue to discuss issues generally beyond the point of "Freedom of expression/belief" etc
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"Why did you say that same sex marriage is bad" is not answered by "Freedom of speech." Why do you support gender-specific modesty codes" is not answered by "Freedom of belief." The freedom to say that & believe that are non-negotiable but there continue to be ethical issues.
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I feel like when it comes to those who can be considered liberal in the original sense (ie not synonymous with lefties) there is a spectrum with a highly moralistic call-out culture at one end and a laissez faire cultural libertarianism at the other.
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I am not entirely sure myself where the balance should be. Among the people I respect, there are some who think I lean too far towards tolerating intolerance & and some who think I need to lighten up a bit & stop scolding.
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Hmm, I agree that freedom of speech doesn’t mean one isn’t entitled to challenge or criticise those beliefs if the believer raises them, but politeness dictates that if they don’t want to argue about their beliefs (and they’re not directly harming someone) we should respect that.
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Yes, that's what I mean about challenging ideas rather than targetting individuals.
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Ah, sorry, I must have missed that. I agree entirely.
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