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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Dan Jones‏ @djonesvi Feb 1

      If you’re tweeting in support #NoHijabDay, you should also be prepared to tell Jews, Hindus, Mennonites, Catholic nuns, Coptic Christians, and Amish people that their scarves and head coverings are only oppressive, not symbols of modesty and devotion.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 1
      Replying to @djonesvi

      This seems a bit confused. You don't seem to realise it's the gender-specific modesty codes that are considered oppressive. Also, you don't even need to believe hijabs are bad to support the Iranian women fighting for the right not to wear them.

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    3. Dan Jones‏ @djonesvi Feb 1
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I do support the Iranian women. The state telling me to do anything is wrong. And why is it that only it’s only women? Shouldn’t men who wear turbans be made to believe they are oppressed too? To the extent its voluntary, its totally fine. Leave them be.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 1
      Replying to @djonesvi

      Yes, they should if its gender-specific modesty code that isnt a social expectation of women. I do leave people be but I dont think extreme social conservative becomes OK just because someone chooses it. Can still critique it.

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        2. Dan Jones‏ @djonesvi Feb 1
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Critique it all u want. But do it fairly and go after Jews, Christians, Catholic nuns, and others too. Ur gonna be busy.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 1
          Replying to @djonesvi

          Well, yes, but I can do all of those and none of my fellow liberals care. Its understood that white western women can object to oppressive gender roles. Muslim women? Theyre supposed to like them so white liberals can feel all noble supporting conservative Islam

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        4. Dan Jones‏ @djonesvi Feb 1
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I respect your consistency but i think its an awful lot of unnecessary negativity and criticism. Seems like there’s bigger fish to fry than telling Amish women to stop wearing head coverings.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 1
          Replying to @djonesvi

          It ties into a lot more with Islam. It is an extension of orientalism which is western-centric and fails Muslim women by supporting the conservatives and sexists rather than the liberals and feminists.https://conatusnews.com/western-centric-intersectional-feminism/ …

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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 1
          Replying to @HPluckrose @djonesvi

          This is a strange idea. We criticise socially conservative expectations of women and their bodies all the time. We dont say "Oh you chose to put moral value judgements on the way women dress. Thats fine then." We try to persuade them to stop doing that.

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        3. Dan Jones‏ @djonesvi Feb 1
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Helen, number one you’re putting words in the mouths of hijab wearers. How do you know it’s also about adhering to moral values? I happen to know a lot of Muslims and I know for a fact that many wear a hijab primarily to let people know they are Muslim. Isn’t that ok?

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        4. Dan Jones‏ @djonesvi Feb 1
          Replying to @djonesvi @HPluckrose

          Also. What about when a non religious woman chooses to wear something to adhere to some moral standard of her own? Long dresses, no cleavage, etc. Is that wrong of them?

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 1
          Replying to @djonesvi

          Yes, we can also critique that. If she says she feels its morally good for women to dress modestly, of course we can and do challenge that. Its not uncommon. Not very many religious people here. Lots of sexist social conservatives.

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        6. Dan Jones‏ @djonesvi Feb 1
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Live and let live. Lots of Muslims out there who believe in liberty. Don’t paint with such a broad brush. They aren’t Linda Sarsours thankfully

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 1
          Replying to @djonesvi

          I know there are and I see what happens to them when they try to critique modesty norms! I feel they need supporting, not throwing under the bus. See the two I quoted in that piece.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        8. Dan Jones‏ @djonesvi Feb 1
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Can we at least agree to abolish government-run healthcare?

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        9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Feb 1
          Replying to @djonesvi

          No. The NHS saved both my parents lives in the last 5 years.

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        1. Ronald D. Potts  🇺🇲‏ @RonaldDPotts1 Feb 3
          Replying to @HPluckrose @djonesvi

          There big issue is not whether there is a social modesty code, but rather if that modesty code is required along with the threat of force.

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