Also not saying “more violent criminals are men”. Saying women are disproportionately victims of violence in domestic relationships, at the hands of men. That’s a subset of violence. Why shouldn’t men confront and acknowledge that violence? Prosecution is punitive after fact. /2
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It's 60/40 here so I do know that men commit more violence in relationships. They should confront it and get help before they hurt someone, I agree. There's no point the vast majority of men who don't commit violence being asked to confront it.
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It is also a fact that men are 10X more likely to become victims of violent crime outside relationships making them the majority of victims of violence. Violence is the problem, not men.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
Not really. Men perpetrate the violence. Violence is not a problem on its own because it doesn’t exist without a perpetrator. I’m a man and I recognize my capacity for violence is greater than the vast majority of women. /1
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Replying to @kareem_sabri @HPluckrose
Most violence is committed by men. But vast majority of men are not violent, either towards other men or in their domestic relationships.
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Replying to @AndyWaters1000 @HPluckrose
Certainly. I'm not saying most men are violent. I'm not saying men are responsible for other men's violence. I'm saying there is a problem with a subset of people, mostly male, who commit the vast majority of violence. That's probably not happenstance and is relevant truth.
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Yes, but it is not clear that it is worth going on and on about in the service of collective blame. https://twitter.com/the_internaut/status/927651105315491841 …
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Replying to @HPluckrose @AndyWaters1000
Nothing I said was in the service of collective blame. Again, "on and on" is a pejorative in a discussion about violence. If I bring it up when we're talking about what to get for lunch, you have a point.
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Replying to @kareem_sabri @AndyWaters1000
Yes, kareem. When I criticise people who go on & on about an issue, it is people who go on and on about the issue I am criticising. If you're going to say 'I think you really mean people who raise the subject relevantly' the conversation is over.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @AndyWaters1000
I assumed that since you replied to me, now, about how going "on and on" isn't helpful, you were referring to me, now, as going "on and on". If you have some other people in mind who are going "on and on", I retract my comment. I don't know what you consider "on and on".
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It was the comment you replied to! Me saying that constantly going on and on about men committing more violent crime isn't helpful. Nothing to do with you at all.
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