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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 29

      This is an unpopular view among my fellow liberals but think twice before assuming a pro-lifer is anti female sexual freedom. They may be but there is also an intuitive objection to abortion which is on the very liberal care/harm foundation. Note I said 'intuitive', not rational.

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    2. Paul Bates‏ @PaulBates7 Jan 29
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      You keep calling abortion foes irrational. It's okay, I did too. They just came to their conclusion by a different path. It is a very, very rational path. I disagree, but it is rational. My own view hangs by a very, very thin thread on the limits of the state.

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    3. Paul Bates‏ @PaulBates7 Jan 29
      Replying to @PaulBates7 @HPluckrose

      Let's imagine science progressing to the point where that clump of cells didn't need a host to survive. We're not far from there. Maybe 10 to 30 years. Doesn't change the underlying fact that the clump of cells could then become a human being w/o regard to the mother's support.

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 29
      Replying to @PaulBates7

      I'd have to give thought to the ethics of that & the boundaries. If a clump of cells had the right to develop into a person without the mother hosting them, what about a few days earlier? The sperm and the egg? Do their owners have the right to dispose of them

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    5. Paul Bates‏ @PaulBates7 Jan 29
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      It's a thought experiment. Just narrow it down w/o complicating it. (It's complicated enough). Woman goes to find out if she's pregnant. She can have an abortion, send that clump of cells off to an incubator, or have the child. The first two are equally easy medically. Now what?

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 29
      Replying to @PaulBates7

      I'd have to give thought to it and this would require thinking around the problem which would include the ethics of letting eggs and sperm die. I have not yet given thought to it.

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    7. Paul Bates‏ @PaulBates7 Jan 29
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Please do, but I'd say the ethics of leaving sperm or eggs around to die is immaterial. As are questions on contraception, abstinence and the like. It's better to narrow it down to conception. Two things coming together to make something new and unique is the proper dividing spot

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    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 29
      Replying to @PaulBates7

      That's what needs proving with rational argument first. Why? Is it just the cognitive bias that tells us that failing to make something is better than stopping something that has started even tho the consequences are the same for the potential person? Not sure that's good enough

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    9. Paul Bates‏ @PaulBates7 Jan 31
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Here's my problem with you saying pro-life people are irrational. Does human life begin at conception? It's certainly a rational, logical, philosophically, and altogether scientifically sound concept. For sake of argument: Human life begins at conception. Now what?

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 31
      Replying to @PaulBates7

      Argue it.Provide a rational argument for that being the point at which the potential person has the right to be born.

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