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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1.  🌴Baloo the Bear 🌴‏ @_Baloo_The_Bear Jan 30
      Replying to @HPluckrose @AnglerFishLure

      It's fine to say ideas are wrong, and that people are wrong for expressing them, but if you don't attempt to explain WHY they're wrong, it's not really criticism it's just character assasination. Perhaps, as you say in the other response, he's written well & extensively about

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 30
      Replying to @_Baloo_The_Bear @AnglerFishLure

      No, honestly, people can write about social phenomena and psychology and movements. It really is OK. Gurwinder Bhogal wrote an excellent thing on the appeal of fundamentalist Islam. He didn't need to include why Islam isn't true.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 30
      Replying to @HPluckrose @_Baloo_The_Bear @AnglerFishLure

      In the same way, religious people can write about this without first having to explain why God is real. We know that people have different views on this - theist/atheist, pragmatist/empiricist. They can write all sorts of things from those perspectives.

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    4.  🌴Baloo the Bear 🌴‏ @_Baloo_The_Bear Jan 30
      Replying to @HPluckrose @AnglerFishLure

      I agree with you. But if you write about social/psychological phenomena in a way that characterizes a broad swath of people (particularly in the latter case, where you're interpreting their internal proceses as well as external characteristics) as rubes, you should expect them

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 30
      Replying to @_Baloo_The_Bear @AnglerFishLure

      Neither 'rubes' nor 'dupes' appears in that piece. This is clearly how you feel about someone giving a psychological explanation for the attraction to Peterson's rhetoric. It is v similar to how religious people feel when people look at the psychological reasons for their belief

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 30
      Replying to @HPluckrose @_Baloo_The_Bear @AnglerFishLure

      Because they think it is really true and feel wounded that people who think it isn't want to look at why they are drawn to these ideas. It's obvious to them. It's because it's true! So they keep on & on insisting people debate them on the rightness of their beliefs. #Devotion

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    7.  🌴Baloo the Bear 🌴‏ @_Baloo_The_Bear Jan 30
      Replying to @HPluckrose @AnglerFishLure

      Oh for chrissakes, he literally uses the phrase "snake oil". I don't agree with all of Peterson's ideas; attempting to nudge me into the "jilted believer" box is exactly the sort of condescension I'm talking about. People are annoyed because they've been mischaracterized. 1/

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    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 30
      Replying to @_Baloo_The_Bear @AnglerFishLure

      Right. Is that not OK? Must we pretend this kind of thing has worth? Obviously people will be annoyed if they think it does. Same with anything some people think true & others don't. And of course, people feel annoyed if they think they're right & others don't.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 30
      Replying to @HPluckrose @_Baloo_The_Bear @AnglerFishLure

      It seems like more than this tho. You're not just pointing out that people get annoyed when other people don't believe the same thing as them? Its like you think James shouldn't have written from an angle of not sharing those views.

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    10.  🌴Baloo the Bear 🌴‏ @_Baloo_The_Bear Jan 30
      Replying to @HPluckrose @AnglerFishLure

      I think he should have acknowledged that he was writing from one side of the empiricist/pragmatist divide instead of feigning objectivity.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 30
      Replying to @_Baloo_The_Bear @AnglerFishLure

      Another different claim. First he wrong for thinking Peterson was wrong. Now he is wrong for not acknowledging he thinks Peterson is wrong. This is really silly. You are all over the place and keep changing what the problem is. You just want to have a problem for some reason.

      6:27 PM - 30 Jan 2018
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        2.  🌴Baloo the Bear 🌴‏ @_Baloo_The_Bear Jan 30
          Replying to @HPluckrose @AnglerFishLure

          I never said he was wrong for thinking Peterson was wrong. You interpreted me that way a number of times, but I didn't say it. I know this because I don't actually think it's true--disagreement is fine, which I did say. I don't know why we're not communicating, and I don't know

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        3.  🌴Baloo the Bear 🌴‏ @_Baloo_The_Bear Jan 30
          Replying to @_Baloo_The_Bear @HPluckrose @AnglerFishLure

          how to phrase it any more clearly so perhaps we've reached an impasse.

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