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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 30

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Lizzy

    I take issue with all of that sketch. It misses the point of freedom of speech which is a positive attitude towards the free exchange of ideas. Constitutions, amendments, laws vary from country to country and only relate to what the government can do.https://twitter.com/LizlozC/status/958411369753337856 …

    Helen Pluckrose added,

    Lizzy @lizlozlizloz
    Replying to @HPluckrose
    I take issue with this bit of the sketch posted on that thread. To be yelled and heckled at like I’ve seen in uni campuses in America, to force no platforming, because a minority don’t like the speaker is effectively stopping someone speaking. pic.twitter.com/fIncn4hIYH
    10:55 AM - 30 Jan 2018
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      2. It's Tardigrades all the way down‏ @not_that_CK Jan 30
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        In that sense I have no problem with it. Of course in the interest of full disclosure; I am a fan of XKCD. In the broader sense of global free speech, it is a grand idea but not a "right" unless codified by law. U.S. is almost unique in this way isn't it?

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 30
        Replying to @not_that_CK

        It's the grand idea I am interested in. It's true that different countries have different laws about it.

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      4. It's Tardigrades all the way down‏ @not_that_CK Jan 30
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        We are in furious agreement on that score. But most have no specific law. Many use U.N. Human Rights Charter as a fall back but only when it suits them.

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 30
        Replying to @not_that_CK

        OK but law etc is of peripheral interest to me. I'm interested in the principle in cultural norms

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      1. Henry Fitzgerald‏ @HenryTarquin Jan 30
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Have you seen this variant? (Don't know who created it, unfortunately)pic.twitter.com/jPnKdZAHTl

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      2. Pay Tree Arch Is Back, With a Longer Name Than Bef‏ @paytreearch Jan 30
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Yes, it fails to realize that Freedom of Speech is a principle PROTECTED by government, not CREATED by it. Shouting down a speaker in a public space isn't a violation of the law or constitution (nor should it be) but it is immoral nonetheless.

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      3. Pay Tree Arch Is Back, With a Longer Name Than Bef‏ @paytreearch Jan 30
        Replying to @paytreearch @HPluckrose

        The axiom behind freedom of speech can be summarized as: "When people in a society are permitted to speak and be heard freely, the society as a whole becomes better and not worse as a result." If you believe that, then you don't like to see ANY public square growing quieter.

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      1. Anon Ymous‏ @ken8b5 Jan 31
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        You can always tell them that they are spitting on the 'Universal Declaration of Human Rights', which doesn't make a distinction if it is a State, group or person who interfere with the ability to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media.

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      1. Julio Cartagena‏ @JulioAPCR Jan 30
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Especially in colleges which is supposed to be for mental development and growth.

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      2. Michael A. Lowry‏ @mlowry Jan 30
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Michael A. Lowry Retweeted Helen Pluckrose

        Censorship apologists always take a different view when the ideas being silenced or shouted down are their own. “The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.” —Anatole France @HPluckrosehttps://twitter.com/HPluckrose/status/958413439415799811 …

        Michael A. Lowry added,

        Helen Pluckrose @HPluckrose
        I take issue with all of that sketch. It misses the point of freedom of speech which is a positive attitude towards the free exchange of ideas. Constitutions, amendments, laws vary from country to country and only relate to what the government can do. https://twitter.com/LizlozC/status/958411369753337856 …
        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Henry Fitzgerald‏ @HenryTarquin Jan 30
        Replying to @mlowry @HPluckrose

        I like the poetry of that Anatole France quote, but its attitude has always bugged me. What else is the law supposed to do?

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      4. Michael A. Lowry‏ @mlowry Jan 30
        Replying to @HenryTarquin @HPluckrose

        I think his point was that obedience to the law is a low hurdle for the rich. Similarly, whether one may speak freely, or have a chance of being heard, depends on one’s position.

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      1. It's Tardigrades all the way down‏ @not_that_CK Jan 30
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        It is an Ameican comic and is, I think, mostly addressing the whining of people on comments sections or twitter or facebook etc. claimimg their "free speech" rights as defined in U.S. constitution are violated by moderators deleting their posts etc.

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