I think the equivalent of the forbidding abortion position would be forbidding not having an abortion. People can celebrate having an abortion if they want even if others find it distasteful. They can tolerate it like atheists must tolerate people celebrating being 'saved' etc
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Replying to @HPluckrose @Claire_Voltaire
You mentioned forbidding vs allowing as a society. I think you can consider allowing as a middle ground between forbidding and celebrating or encouraging. I agree that allowing abortion is better than forbidding, all other things equal.
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Replying to @SaintTzu @Claire_Voltaire
I'd be wary tho. I think people should be allowed to celebrate their reproductive decisions. I would not be at all happy with saying 'You're allowed to decide for or against abortion' but celebrating either is wrong. I celebrated my decision to bring a pregnancy to term.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @Claire_Voltaire
We’re (or at least I was) speaking about the general attitude or approach of a society, not just some individuals who may well not reflect the society at large.
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Replying to @SaintTzu @Claire_Voltaire
I havent known a society which celebrated abortion tho. Advertised it as a positive good, had party traditions around it, had TV shows which focused on abortion as a party theme. Generally, its a private and sad thing.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @Claire_Voltaire
Yes, such a thing has not yet appeared. However there are small groups of people like this, and, as is the nature of the present age, they are greatly magnified by the anti-abortion demagogues as personifying the world liberals want.
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I think we generally agree about where the balance should be struck, at least for now. But if we want to make the case for that position we must, I think, take some pains to say that allowing abortion is not the same thing as encouraging or celebrating it.
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Replying to @SaintTzu @Claire_Voltaire
It does feel like we need to say that but this really shows bias. We feel no need to say that allowing people to carry babies to term is not the same as encouraging it or celebrating it.
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I know that this is substantially different because becoming a parent is something most people are excited about and an abortion is a surgical procedure to resolve a problem but on an ethical level choosing to continue or end a pregnancy should be neutral.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @Claire_Voltaire
I’m not convinced it should be ethically neutral, but I do think it should be neutral as a matter of public policy. When advocating for such a policy we should consider the fears and ethical intuitions of those we wish to persuade.
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