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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Saint‏ @SaintTzu Jan 29
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Claire_Voltaire

      Even setting sentiment aside, it’s not at all clear to me that the universe in which ‘it’s just a bundle of unwanted cells’ is ethically or morally superior to one in which ‘it’s a complete person with all attendant rights’.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 29
      Replying to @SaintTzu @Claire_Voltaire

      Might be factually superior and this should inform our ethics? http://helenpluckroseblogs.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/my-position-on-abortion.html …

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    3. Saint‏ @SaintTzu Jan 29
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Claire_Voltaire

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      Here’s a brief expansion of my thoughts.https://twitter.com/sainttzu/status/954785526841823233 …

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      Today the #WomensMarch2018 is going on. It’s focused heavily on the abortion issue and characterized by groups talking past each other and disagreeing in much the same way as they have for decades.
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    4. Saint‏ @SaintTzu Jan 29
      Replying to @SaintTzu @HPluckrose @Claire_Voltaire

      I agree with your point that anything that stopped the process of ‘you’ would have been all the same in the end as far as you’re concerned. But I don’t think it follows that a society which allowed one way of ending things is therefore equivalent to one which took a different way

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 29
      Replying to @SaintTzu @Claire_Voltaire

      I don't think it is. I think a society which allows women to terminate unwanted pregnancies is better to one that doesn't.

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    6. Saint‏ @SaintTzu Jan 29
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Claire_Voltaire

      Do you think there might be a place on the allowing side that’s just as far off the mark as the forbidding one? I mean, the people who want to hold a Freedom Party and get a tattoo to celebrate getting an abortion, for instance.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 29
      Replying to @SaintTzu @Claire_Voltaire

      I think the equivalent of the forbidding abortion position would be forbidding not having an abortion. People can celebrate having an abortion if they want even if others find it distasteful. They can tolerate it like atheists must tolerate people celebrating being 'saved' etc

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    8. Saint‏ @SaintTzu Jan 29
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Claire_Voltaire

      You mentioned forbidding vs allowing as a society. I think you can consider allowing as a middle ground between forbidding and celebrating or encouraging. I agree that allowing abortion is better than forbidding, all other things equal.

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    9. Saint‏ @SaintTzu Jan 29
      Replying to @SaintTzu @HPluckrose @Claire_Voltaire

      The point I was aiming for is that I think allowing is probably also better than celebrating, all other things equal. And that a society on the celebratory end of things on the issue of abortion *might* be just as wrong as the forbidding end.

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    10. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 29
      Replying to @SaintTzu @Claire_Voltaire

      I don't see how. Someone celebrating their own decision to abort cannot be compared to forbidding someone else to make their own decision.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 29
      Replying to @HPluckrose @SaintTzu @Claire_Voltaire

      But if you mean a society which made women celebrate abortion was as bad as one which forbade women to abort, I kind of agree. This is also abusive. People should be able to make their own decision privately and then feel how they feel about it.

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