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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 29

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      But people don't look at embryos and say 'You do not deserve to live because you do not have the traits we have.' They decide whether or not they want to give their body over to an embryo right now. https://twitter.com/MasturbatinPete/status/958137816663384064 …

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    2. Terynce Tzu (TAFKA Terr bear  🐻)‏ @AnglerFishLure Jan 29
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      So they're irresponsible and someone else pays the price for it.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 29
      Replying to @AnglerFishLure

      The same price they'd have paid if they;d have been responsible and not had sex or used contraception. Never being aware of existing.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Terynce Tzu (TAFKA Terr bear  🐻)‏ @AnglerFishLure Jan 29
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Do you remember being 6 months old?

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    5. Terynce Tzu (TAFKA Terr bear  🐻)‏ @AnglerFishLure Jan 29
      Replying to @AnglerFishLure @HPluckrose

      Because if you don't then by that logic why not get rid of 6 month olds too. They won't mind.

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 29
      Replying to @AnglerFishLure

      That doesn't make any sense. If you can't remember being 6 months old, 6 month olds don;t think or feel? No. Memories form when sentences do.

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    7. Terynce Tzu (TAFKA Terr bear  🐻)‏ @AnglerFishLure Jan 29
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      This is why your position makes no sense. Why do you think it's ok to abort a fetus on the basis of awareness of existence? You have no idea of they think and feel.

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    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 29
      Replying to @AnglerFishLure

      I go with the science on this.

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    9. Terynce Tzu (TAFKA Terr bear  🐻)‏ @AnglerFishLure Jan 29
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Science. Right. How did they manage to measure the thoughts/feelings/awareness of a fetus? Curious.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 29
      Replying to @AnglerFishLure

      I researched this once before and will find thorough sources for you tomorrow if you wish. But you can probably find them yourself by looking for the development of the central nervous system explicitly in relation to abortion.

      5:29 PM - 29 Jan 2018
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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 29
          Replying to @HPluckrose @AnglerFishLure

          It is at 24 weeks the brain starts laying down pathways. This shows experience. The brain shows when experience is registered. Also, they can pinpoint very precisely when central nervous system is developed enough to feel pain. Much research specifically for abortion ethics

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        3. Terynce Tzu (TAFKA Terr bear  🐻)‏ @AnglerFishLure Jan 29
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Some studies say 19 weeks, others 20, and others 23-24. There's no definitive way to measure pain & the experience of it is subjective. Heck, even though doctors can't objectively measure pain.

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 29
          Replying to @AnglerFishLure

          Yes. current guidelines go with the consensus and I am fully on board with changing them with new information.

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        5. Terynce Tzu (TAFKA Terr bear  🐻)‏ @AnglerFishLure Jan 29
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I just think your reasoning (lack of unawareness of existence) is an ethically unsound position to take considering the nature of the subject. There ought to be a moral foundation of valuing life, and exceptions built around that. Not the other way around.

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        6.  🌴Baloo the Bear 🌴‏ @_Baloo_The_Bear Jan 29
          Replying to @AnglerFishLure @HPluckrose

          It's a metaphysical problem. Empiricists have to find evidence of a "beginning" and draw the line there. Stepping back and thinking about a life in the abstract is considered "mystical thinking", or so I've gathered from engaging with that crowd.

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