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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 29

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Amy Rustand

      Abortion also takes responsibility for pregnancy by stopping it. You probably believe conception is the cut off point because you believe in a soul. For the rest of us, early abortion has the same consequence for a potential person as abstinence. They never develop an aware brainhttps://twitter.com/B16pal/status/958131176929046528 …

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      Amy Rustand @B16pal
      Replying to @B16pal @HPluckrose
      3/ she needs, like the person who threw the ball, to use reason first. Can I take care of the baby that might come or should I give up for adoption? Abortion is like breaking the window and running away, not taking responsibility for the outcome you knew could happen
      5 replies 1 retweet 13 likes
    2. Amy Rustand‏ @B16pal Jan 29
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Soul has no thing to do with it. Basic embryological science says life begins at conception. A cut-off point like 'aware brain' is as arbitrary as 'the head hasn't emerged from the vagina'

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 29
      Replying to @B16pal

      No, it doesn't. Sperm and eggs are alive. Conception is also arbitrary. What makes sense from an ethical point of view is the potential for suffering and loss.

      4:29 PM - 29 Jan 2018
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        2. Amy Rustand‏ @B16pal Jan 29
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          A sperm and an ovum are not human beings. A blastocyst, zygote, fetus are all human beings at different stages of development.

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        3. Ben‏ @BristolBen Jan 29
          Replying to @B16pal @HPluckrose

          The only difference between and egg before and just after conception is essentially an additional strand of DNA, which is just a molecule. Why is this ethically significant?

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        4. Lotak‏ @LotakX Jan 29
          Replying to @BristolBen @B16pal @HPluckrose

          Because left to its own devices, it will become a live human should nothing prevent it (e.g. miscarriage). That's the difference. This is how pro lifers see it. Those that don't want to control women. Exceptions of course.

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        5. Ben‏ @BristolBen Jan 30
          Replying to @LotakX @B16pal @HPluckrose

          Left to its own devices, it will surely die. Just like an egg, it needs very specific inputs in a highly controlled environment (the womb) to survive. It is *potentially* a human, but then again so is an egg. The odds of unfertilised egg becoming human are lower though.

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        6. Lotak‏ @LotakX Jan 30
          Replying to @BristolBen @B16pal @HPluckrose

          Well no. I'm talking about a fertilised egg that has attached itself to the uterus. One that can survive so long as there aren't complications. Or at least if it dies, it does so "naturally". Not an egg on its own.

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        7. Ben‏ @BristolBen Jan 30
          Replying to @LotakX @B16pal @HPluckrose

          Both an egg and a fertilised egg need to be “fed” a constant stream of molecules if they are to grow into a human. The egg just needs one more molecule.

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        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 30
          Replying to @BristolBen @LotakX @B16pal

          This is an intuitive thing which is almost certainly driven by the cognitive bias which makes us feel that a failure to act to bring about a consequence is less blameworthy than an action to stop the consequence even when the outcome is the same.

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        9. Ben‏ @BristolBen Jan 30
          Replying to @HPluckrose @LotakX @B16pal

          This is an excellent point! I know of this bias in general but I hadn’t connected it to this issue. Thank you Helen 😊

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