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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 29

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Amy Rustand

    Abortion also takes responsibility for pregnancy by stopping it. You probably believe conception is the cut off point because you believe in a soul. For the rest of us, early abortion has the same consequence for a potential person as abstinence. They never develop an aware brainhttps://twitter.com/B16pal/status/958131176929046528 …

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    3/ she needs, like the person who threw the ball, to use reason first. Can I take care of the baby that might come or should I give up for adoption? Abortion is like breaking the window and running away, not taking responsibility for the outcome you knew could happen
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      2. Finnel‏ @finnelcl Jan 29
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I am pro-choice but I also believe human life begins at conception-because it does- I don't believe in souls.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 29
        Replying to @finnelcl

        So what are eggs and sperm before they meet if not human and alive? And what is the difference between a cluster of cells and a person?

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      4. Finnel‏ @finnelcl Jan 29
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        (Eggs and sperm on their own don't begin a human life.) I mean that conception is when human life begins. When human life becomes viable and becomes a "person" is a different thing.

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 29
        Replying to @finnelcl

        This is a conceptual thing. Intuitive. I share it. It's not rational.

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      6. Finnel‏ @finnelcl Jan 29
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Can you explain what you mean? I don't understand.

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      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 29
        Replying to @finnelcl

        There is no real reason to put the starting point at conception rather than five minutes earlier. It comes from the intuition that stopping a thing is worse than never starting a thing. For the potential person who never knows they are alive, there is no difference.

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      8. Finnel‏ @finnelcl Jan 29
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Right, for the potential person, it makes no difference. But for the actual people who see conception as a time when a human begins to be formed, it might.

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      9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 29
        Replying to @finnelcl

        Yes. This is why the mother has the choice. I could not have an abortion because I feel it like that. I can support friends through one because I know the consequential reasoning on behalf of the potential person.

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      2. Amy Rustand‏ @B16pal Jan 29
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Soul has no thing to do with it. Basic embryological science says life begins at conception. A cut-off point like 'aware brain' is as arbitrary as 'the head hasn't emerged from the vagina'

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 29
        Replying to @B16pal

        No, it doesn't. Sperm and eggs are alive. Conception is also arbitrary. What makes sense from an ethical point of view is the potential for suffering and loss.

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      4. Amy Rustand‏ @B16pal Jan 29
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        A sperm and an ovum are not human beings. A blastocyst, zygote, fetus are all human beings at different stages of development.

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      5. Ben‏ @BristolBen Jan 29
        Replying to @B16pal @HPluckrose

        The only difference between and egg before and just after conception is essentially an additional strand of DNA, which is just a molecule. Why is this ethically significant?

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      6. Lotak‏ @LotakX Jan 29
        Replying to @BristolBen @B16pal @HPluckrose

        Because left to its own devices, it will become a live human should nothing prevent it (e.g. miscarriage). That's the difference. This is how pro lifers see it. Those that don't want to control women. Exceptions of course.

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      7. Ben‏ @BristolBen Jan 30
        Replying to @LotakX @B16pal @HPluckrose

        Left to its own devices, it will surely die. Just like an egg, it needs very specific inputs in a highly controlled environment (the womb) to survive. It is *potentially* a human, but then again so is an egg. The odds of unfertilised egg becoming human are lower though.

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      8. Lotak‏ @LotakX Jan 30
        Replying to @BristolBen @B16pal @HPluckrose

        Well no. I'm talking about a fertilised egg that has attached itself to the uterus. One that can survive so long as there aren't complications. Or at least if it dies, it does so "naturally". Not an egg on its own.

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      9. Ben‏ @BristolBen Jan 30
        Replying to @LotakX @B16pal @HPluckrose

        Both an egg and a fertilised egg need to be “fed” a constant stream of molecules if they are to grow into a human. The egg just needs one more molecule.

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      1. Barry Purcell‏ @solo1y Jan 29
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        And, once again, the pro-life people reveal their REAL agenda: not saving babies, but controlling women's sexuality.

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      1. Gil Reich‏ @GilR Jan 30
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        When do you think an aware brain develops? And is that your cut off point for legal termination?

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