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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 29

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Amy Rustand

    Yes. this happens. Every time I eat, I risk food poisoning. Every time I ride a bike, I risk an accident. Every time I have a bath, I risk drowning. This doesn't mean that I should not be given medicine, medical treatment or pulled from the bath because I made that decision.https://twitter.com/B16pal/status/958129589099823105 …

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    Amy Rustand @B16pal
    Replying to @HPluckrose
    Good questions...If one chooses to do an act with a possible outcome (like, throwing a baseball near a glass window & knowing the window might get broken) they haven't 'let' the consequence happen, they *caused* it to happen. 1/
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      2. Amy Rustand‏ @B16pal Jan 29
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Yes, all those things are for prolonging something *good* (human life). Abortion is the exact opposite because it ends a life.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 29
        Replying to @B16pal

        It prevents a person from forming. You and your husband do the same thing every time you abstain from sex whilst you are fertile.

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      4. Amy Rustand‏ @B16pal Jan 29
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Um no, because if there's no conception there's no human being. If there's conception, there's a human being.

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 29
        Replying to @B16pal

        Not really. Its a mass of cells for a long time. The time for abortion limits is set by when personhood - self-awareness and sensation and learning begins.

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      6. Amy Rustand‏ @B16pal Jan 29
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        'Personhood' is another arbitrary cut-off without scientific consensus/basis. It's people saying "When do we GET to kill?" when decent rational people should only ask "When do we HAVE to kill?"

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      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 29
        Replying to @B16pal

        Meaningless.

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      8. Amy Rustand‏ @B16pal Jan 29
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Not really. Science can't define when this so-called 'personhood' begins. That's not within the purview of natural science. It is within the scope of philosophy, but there's literally no consensus because definitions either exclude some humans (comatose) or include some animals.

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      2. Terynce Tzu (TAFKA Terr bear  🐻)‏ @AnglerFishLure Jan 29
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Do you honestly think taking a life is a medical treatment?

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 29
        Replying to @AnglerFishLure

        Yes. http://helenpluckroseblogs.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/my-position-on-abortion.html …

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      4. Terynce Tzu (TAFKA Terr bear  🐻)‏ @AnglerFishLure Jan 29
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Do you remember the things you thought and felt at 1 year old?

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 29
        Replying to @AnglerFishLure

        No. There is evidence I did think & feel tho.

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      2. Cynicism, but spooky.‏ @rikcloesen Jan 29
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I think, in the interest of avoiding a fairly predictable counter, you may want to choose an exmaple that cannot be construed as a necessary risk, given that abstinence is a viable, 100% effective contraceptive measure.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 29
        Replying to @rikcloesen

        Yeah, but then you don't get to have sex. I've been warned much more against cycling than I have against having sex. I didn't really need to do that either. I could have got places much more slowly.

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      4. Cynicism, but spooky.‏ @rikcloesen Jan 29
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        You may have noticed the people who don't like abortion tend to also not like sex.

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      2. Terynce Tzu (TAFKA Terr bear  🐻)‏ @AnglerFishLure Jan 29
        Replying to @roareyraccoon @HPluckrose

        Legal? I agree. Government funded? Absolutely not.

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      4. Terynce Tzu (TAFKA Terr bear  🐻)‏ @AnglerFishLure Jan 29
        Replying to @roareyraccoon @HPluckrose

        Disagree.

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      5. End of conversation

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