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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted workingclassrabble

      Lol. No. Also 'women' and 'people who don't accept that trans women are women' are not the same group. Also, if you want the right to refer to trans women as 'men', you might have to accept other people's right to refer to you as 'cis' or even 'TERF.'https://twitter.com/GreedyRosie/status/956636194917449735 …

      Helen Pluckrose added,

      workingclassrabble @GreedyRosie
      Replying to @Conor8923 @butterflygone02 and 2 others
      ‘Less privileged?’ Women are the least privileged group there is. Told by ppl like you that their biology means less than a feeling in a man’s head. You need to stop disrespecting women - and stop referring to them as cis.
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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26

      I am sick of the wars between gender-sceptical feminists & trans activists & think people must be able to believe what they want abt gender & express it even if it's wrong. Ppl have the right to be wrong. But the idea that women are more oppressed than trans ppl is laughable.

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    3. Lizzy‏ @lizlozlizloz Jan 26
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Yep, I’m a critic of many aspects of queer/trans ideology but I still wouldn’t say women are more oppressed than trans people.

      1 reply 1 retweet 4 likes
    4. Lizzy‏ @lizlozlizloz Jan 26
      Replying to @lizlozlizloz @HPluckrose

      What people like me are objecting to is things like this. “I’m widening the bandwidth of what it means to be a woman”.https://www.buzzfeed.com/patrickstrudwick/this-transgender-woman-has-a-full-beard-and-she-couldnt-be-h …

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26
      Replying to @lizlozlizloz

      I don't object to this. I don't think people have to go completely binary.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    6. Lizzy‏ @lizlozlizloz Jan 26
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I don’t object to him and the way he outwardly expresses himself at all. What I don’t like is his definition of ‘woman’. What concerns a lot of women is that this type of self ID allows effectively anyone to be in women’s sports/prisons/refuges/etc.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26
      Replying to @lizlozlizloz

      That's a different issue, I think. This is what we argued in our trans piece, anyway. Practical issues like those need considering practically and separately from the ethics of how people may identify.

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    8. R.A.‏ @boyfromcatford Jan 26
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      It's all interconnected. Once you go down the route of accepting "self-identity" (instead of science), then you open up questions about safe spaces.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26
      Replying to @boyfromcatford

      https://areomagazine.com/2017/09/27/an-argument-for-a-liberal-and-rational-approach-to-transgender-rights-and-inclusion/ …

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    10. R.A.‏ @boyfromcatford Jan 26
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Yeah I read that piece and agreed with some of it. But still issues with it for eg. suggestions of "brain sex" theory (which was based on a very small sample) and no mention of gender dysphoria.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26
      Replying to @boyfromcatford

      There are lots of brain studies. I do mention gender dysphoria.

      10:19 AM - 26 Jan 2018
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        2. R.A.‏ @boyfromcatford Jan 26
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Sorry, you did mention it but didn't properly distinguish it from wider gender ID politics. You do conflate gender with sex too. As for brain studies, there are no male brains or female brains. No pink brain and no blue brain, There are hormonal differences between sexes.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26
          Replying to @boyfromcatford

          Just follow the links.

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        4. R.A.‏ @boyfromcatford Jan 26
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I have. I may have even posted a comment. That said I agree with much of it.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26
          Replying to @boyfromcatford

          I mean the links in the text which take you to metastudies of neurology and gender.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        6. R.A.‏ @boyfromcatford Jan 26
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I did. But if you accept "brain sex" stuff (which it seems that those small studies suggest), then you cannot explain detransitioning. Reality is we don't know where dysphoria comes from but that is seperate from wider gender identity politics.

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26
          Replying to @boyfromcatford

          You can. The brain studies are on people who never detransitioned. See how many studies there are. Gender differences really do exist. People who transition after puberty rarely detransition.

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        8. R.A.‏ @boyfromcatford Jan 26
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Sure, few detransition but you're ignoring those who. Gender doesn't exist. It's socially constructed. There are differences between sexes based on hormones but to suggest there is innate gender identity on the back of a few small and inconclusive samples strikes me as flawed.

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        9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26
          Replying to @boyfromcatford

          You don't have to ignore them but they don't refute trans identity in the same way that some people saying they've stopped being gay doesn't mean homosexuality doesn't exist. I can't read the studies for you. I can only tell you they are there. Gender differences exist.

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