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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. OGB #FBPE‏ @OlGingerBastard Jan 26
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      There is no debating this. It's simple undeniable fact. To be a trans woman being a man is prerequisite.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26
      Replying to @OlGingerBastard

      This depends on defining 'man' by genitals. If someone's chromosomes and/or hormones and/or brain structure and function are female, they will still be considered a trans woman but were they born a man?

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26
      Replying to @HPluckrose @OlGingerBastard

      This is what is debated. A trans person is someone whose gender doesn't match their gonads and neuroscience & endocrinology & genetics are increasingly explaining why it doesn't. If you woke up with a vagina tmrw, you'd still know you were a man coz your brain & hormones said so

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26
      Replying to @HPluckrose @OlGingerBastard

      Gender correlates closely with gonads but does not always define it. Good case study of a baby boy with a damaged penis. Doctors constructed a vagina for him & he was raised as a girl. He still always felt he was a boy. His brain told him so & neuroscience tells us how it did.

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    5. OGB #FBPE‏ @OlGingerBastard Jan 26
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Because he was a boy, he was male with a damaged penis, not a female. This isn't making a point counter to mine, its reinforces it. It was a male 'trans female' by surgery and the choice of what sounds like horrifically misguided doctors (seriously WTF)- but clearly still a male

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26
      Replying to @OlGingerBastard

      But it wasn't having a penis which made him know he was male. He didn't have one. It was other biological aspects of maleness which told him this - his brain told him. Trans people brains tell them the same thing & neuroscientists can see why it does.

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    7. OGB #FBPE‏ @OlGingerBastard Jan 26
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      He was a male who knew he was a male - not a male who thought and felt female. This isn't analogous to a male who decides he feels female (leaving aside the 'how can you know what it feels like?' question). A man who thinks his wife is actually his hat doesn't make his wife a hat

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    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26
      Replying to @OlGingerBastard

      You are missing the point. What told him he was male? He had a vagina and his family told him he was a girl. *Other biological indicators of sex* made him know he was male. Biologists have found these indicators in trans people supporting their sense of their own gender.

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    9. OGB #FBPE‏ @OlGingerBastard Jan 26
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      We are not Male or Female based on 'who told us' or what we are told. As you say, his biology made him male. What he was told didn't change the fact. You're still ducking the point that to be a 'trans woman' you MUST be a male. A woman cannot be a 'trans woman'.

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    10. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26
      Replying to @OlGingerBastard

      This is my point. We can't tell people what they are. How did he know what sex he was? It wasn't because he had a penis. I'm not ducking it. I'm pointing out that trans women have biological indicators of maleness. How do you define male?

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26
      Replying to @HPluckrose @OlGingerBastard

      I can't keep explaining this over and over again. You've already said that someone without a penis can be a man so you acknowledge that other biological indicators exist. Do you need evidence that trans women have them?

      5:22 AM - 26 Jan 2018
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