Well, no. People who don't accept trans women as women, call them transwomen - a noun different to 'women'. People who do call them 'trans women' - trans being an adjective to describe a woman, like 'black woman.'
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Replying to @HPluckrose
Only a man can be a trans woman - a woman cannot ever be a trans woman
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Replying to @OlGingerBastard
OK, but that is what is debated. You must realise this.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
There is no debating this. It's simple undeniable fact. To be a trans woman being a man is prerequisite.
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Replying to @OlGingerBastard
This depends on defining 'man' by genitals. If someone's chromosomes and/or hormones and/or brain structure and function are female, they will still be considered a trans woman but were they born a man?
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Replying to @HPluckrose @OlGingerBastard
This is what is debated. A trans person is someone whose gender doesn't match their gonads and neuroscience & endocrinology & genetics are increasingly explaining why it doesn't. If you woke up with a vagina tmrw, you'd still know you were a man coz your brain & hormones said so
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Replying to @HPluckrose @OlGingerBastard
Gender correlates closely with gonads but does not always define it. Good case study of a baby boy with a damaged penis. Doctors constructed a vagina for him & he was raised as a girl. He still always felt he was a boy. His brain told him so & neuroscience tells us how it did.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
Because he was a boy, he was male with a damaged penis, not a female. This isn't making a point counter to mine, its reinforces it. It was a male 'trans female' by surgery and the choice of what sounds like horrifically misguided doctors (seriously WTF)- but clearly still a male
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Replying to @OlGingerBastard
But it wasn't having a penis which made him know he was male. He didn't have one. It was other biological aspects of maleness which told him this - his brain told him. Trans people brains tell them the same thing & neuroscientists can see why it does.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
He was a male who knew he was a male - not a male who thought and felt female. This isn't analogous to a male who decides he feels female (leaving aside the 'how can you know what it feels like?' question). A man who thinks his wife is actually his hat doesn't make his wife a hat
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Hats and woman are not analogous to man and woman. Scientists can *see* why trans people are trans. People do not 'decide' to feel like the opposite sex (leaving aside pretentious ideologues). Their brains & hormones tell them this & this can be measured & demonstrated.
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