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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted workingclassrabble

      Lol. No. Also 'women' and 'people who don't accept that trans women are women' are not the same group. Also, if you want the right to refer to trans women as 'men', you might have to accept other people's right to refer to you as 'cis' or even 'TERF.'https://twitter.com/GreedyRosie/status/956636194917449735 …

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      workingclassrabble @GreedyRosie
      Replying to @Conor8923 @butterflygone02 and 2 others
      ‘Less privileged?’ Women are the least privileged group there is. Told by ppl like you that their biology means less than a feeling in a man’s head. You need to stop disrespecting women - and stop referring to them as cis.
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    2. OGB #FBPE‏ @OlGingerBastard Jan 26
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Trans women are not women by definition. This is the central fallacy of the argument, surely?

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26
      Replying to @OlGingerBastard

      Well, no. People who don't accept trans women as women, call them transwomen - a noun different to 'women'. People who do call them 'trans women' - trans being an adjective to describe a woman, like 'black woman.'

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    4. OGB #FBPE‏ @OlGingerBastard Jan 26
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Only a man can be a trans woman - a woman cannot ever be a trans woman

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26
      Replying to @OlGingerBastard

      OK, but that is what is debated. You must realise this.

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    6. OGB #FBPE‏ @OlGingerBastard Jan 26
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      There is no debating this. It's simple undeniable fact. To be a trans woman being a man is prerequisite.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26
      Replying to @OlGingerBastard

      This depends on defining 'man' by genitals. If someone's chromosomes and/or hormones and/or brain structure and function are female, they will still be considered a trans woman but were they born a man?

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26
      Replying to @HPluckrose @OlGingerBastard

      This is what is debated. A trans person is someone whose gender doesn't match their gonads and neuroscience & endocrinology & genetics are increasingly explaining why it doesn't. If you woke up with a vagina tmrw, you'd still know you were a man coz your brain & hormones said so

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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26
          Replying to @HPluckrose @OlGingerBastard

          Gender correlates closely with gonads but does not always define it. Good case study of a baby boy with a damaged penis. Doctors constructed a vagina for him & he was raised as a girl. He still always felt he was a boy. His brain told him so & neuroscience tells us how it did.

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        3. OGB #FBPE‏ @OlGingerBastard Jan 26
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Because he was a boy, he was male with a damaged penis, not a female. This isn't making a point counter to mine, its reinforces it. It was a male 'trans female' by surgery and the choice of what sounds like horrifically misguided doctors (seriously WTF)- but clearly still a male

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26
          Replying to @OlGingerBastard

          But it wasn't having a penis which made him know he was male. He didn't have one. It was other biological aspects of maleness which told him this - his brain told him. Trans people brains tell them the same thing & neuroscientists can see why it does.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26
          Replying to @HPluckrose @OlGingerBastard

          Saying someone is 'really a man' when the biological indicators are ambiguous is not a rational, evidence-based position. Biological sex is not limited to gonads or chromosomes and brains and hormones are the things which make people actually 'feel' the gender they are.

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        6. TheLaughingMan‏ @TLMhypocrisy Jan 26
          Replying to @HPluckrose @OlGingerBastard

          Um actually yes. SEX is determined by genetics. The presence of a Y chromosome is indicative of a male. XXY Is still a male, as far as genetics is considered. Furthermore, having genetic defects make up less than 1% of the pop. Most trannies are not born with

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26
          Replying to @TLMhypocrisy @OlGingerBastard

          https://areomagazine.com/2017/09/27/an-argument-for-a-liberal-and-rational-approach-to-transgender-rights-and-inclusion/ …

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