Lol. No. Also 'women' and 'people who don't accept that trans women are women' are not the same group. Also, if you want the right to refer to trans women as 'men', you might have to accept other people's right to refer to you as 'cis' or even 'TERF.'https://twitter.com/GreedyRosie/status/956636194917449735 …
Well, no. People who don't accept trans women as women, call them transwomen - a noun different to 'women'. People who do call them 'trans women' - trans being an adjective to describe a woman, like 'black woman.'
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Only a man can be a trans woman - a woman cannot ever be a trans woman
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OK, but that is what is debated. You must realise this.
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There is no debating this. It's simple undeniable fact. To be a trans woman being a man is prerequisite.
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This depends on defining 'man' by genitals. If someone's chromosomes and/or hormones and/or brain structure and function are female, they will still be considered a trans woman but were they born a man?
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This is what is debated. A trans person is someone whose gender doesn't match their gonads and neuroscience & endocrinology & genetics are increasingly explaining why it doesn't. If you woke up with a vagina tmrw, you'd still know you were a man coz your brain & hormones said so
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Gender correlates closely with gonads but does not always define it. Good case study of a baby boy with a damaged penis. Doctors constructed a vagina for him & he was raised as a girl. He still always felt he was a boy. His brain told him so & neuroscience tells us how it did.
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Because he was a boy, he was male with a damaged penis, not a female. This isn't making a point counter to mine, its reinforces it. It was a male 'trans female' by surgery and the choice of what sounds like horrifically misguided doctors (seriously WTF)- but clearly still a male
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But it wasn't having a penis which made him know he was male. He didn't have one. It was other biological aspects of maleness which told him this - his brain told him. Trans people brains tell them the same thing & neuroscientists can see why it does.
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We're basically saying the same thing then - a 'Trans Woman' cannot by definition be a woman, as we're not describing a woman, we're describing a man who wants to be referred to as a woman. Woman being the noun here, rather than an adjective.
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A trans woman by definition is a woman. It means a woman who is trans. Whether you agree with the definition or think she's actually a man is what is debated.
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Only a man can be a trans woman. A woman cannot be a trans woman. A trans woman must be a man.
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