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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted workingclassrabble

      Lol. No. Also 'women' and 'people who don't accept that trans women are women' are not the same group. Also, if you want the right to refer to trans women as 'men', you might have to accept other people's right to refer to you as 'cis' or even 'TERF.'https://twitter.com/GreedyRosie/status/956636194917449735 …

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      workingclassrabble @GreedyRosie
      Replying to @Conor8923 @butterflygone02 and 2 others
      ‘Less privileged?’ Women are the least privileged group there is. Told by ppl like you that their biology means less than a feeling in a man’s head. You need to stop disrespecting women - and stop referring to them as cis.
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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26

      I am sick of the wars between gender-sceptical feminists & trans activists & think people must be able to believe what they want abt gender & express it even if it's wrong. Ppl have the right to be wrong. But the idea that women are more oppressed than trans ppl is laughable.

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        2. Lizzy‏ @lizlozlizloz Jan 26
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Yep, I’m a critic of many aspects of queer/trans ideology but I still wouldn’t say women are more oppressed than trans people.

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        3. Lizzy‏ @lizlozlizloz Jan 26
          Replying to @lizlozlizloz @HPluckrose

          What people like me are objecting to is things like this. “I’m widening the bandwidth of what it means to be a woman”.https://www.buzzfeed.com/patrickstrudwick/this-transgender-woman-has-a-full-beard-and-she-couldnt-be-h …

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26
          Replying to @lizlozlizloz

          I don't object to this. I don't think people have to go completely binary.

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        5. Lizzy‏ @lizlozlizloz Jan 26
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I don’t object to him and the way he outwardly expresses himself at all. What I don’t like is his definition of ‘woman’. What concerns a lot of women is that this type of self ID allows effectively anyone to be in women’s sports/prisons/refuges/etc.

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26
          Replying to @lizlozlizloz

          That's a different issue, I think. This is what we argued in our trans piece, anyway. Practical issues like those need considering practically and separately from the ethics of how people may identify.

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        7. R.A.‏ @boyfromcatford Jan 26
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          It's all interconnected. Once you go down the route of accepting "self-identity" (instead of science), then you open up questions about safe spaces.

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26
          Replying to @boyfromcatford

          https://areomagazine.com/2017/09/27/an-argument-for-a-liberal-and-rational-approach-to-transgender-rights-and-inclusion/ …

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        9. R.A.‏ @boyfromcatford Jan 26
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Yeah I read that piece and agreed with some of it. But still issues with it for eg. suggestions of "brain sex" theory (which was based on a very small sample) and no mention of gender dysphoria.

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        2. SmooshedPotato‏ @SmooshedPotato Jan 26
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Why must people complicate chromosomes so much?

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26
          Replying to @SmooshedPotato

          They don't. They just disagree on whether or not they are definitive in gender identity.

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        4. SmooshedPotato‏ @SmooshedPotato Jan 26
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Well, that's just stupidity.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26
          Replying to @SmooshedPotato

          It's certainly better to go with the science which shows a correlation between gender and several biological features including sex organs, chromosomes, brains and hormones

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        6. SmooshedPotato‏ @SmooshedPotato Jan 26
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          This is only controversial among the mentally ill.

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26
          Replying to @SmooshedPotato

          No. It's not the mentally ill doing the science of gender. Robert Sapalsky is great on the neuroscience.

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        1. flabberghosted(Am I an NPC?)‏ @observeaddict Jan 26
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          This is why the whole oppression hierarchy paradigm is flawed. Its unquatifiable. We can have a basic idea of who has it tougher, but maybe we shouldn't stress the differences and emphasize the destination everyone wants to get to.

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        1. OGB #FBPE‏ @OlGingerBastard Jan 26
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Nobody is really arguing that people can be allowed to think what they like about themselves. That's not the issue. Their argument is that YOU must think what THEY want you to think about them. You think you're a teapot, fine, don't expect me to share your delusion.

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        1. Laced Up For Lucy‏ @LacedUpForLucy Jan 26
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          This battle is just heating up here in 🇨🇦

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        1. Sᴛᴇᴠᴇɴ Wɪʟʟɪᴀᴍꜱᴏɴ‏ @scarce_sense Jan 26
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          How do we go about promoting genderblindness? Content of character and all that...

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