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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted workingclassrabble

    Lol. No. Also 'women' and 'people who don't accept that trans women are women' are not the same group. Also, if you want the right to refer to trans women as 'men', you might have to accept other people's right to refer to you as 'cis' or even 'TERF.'https://twitter.com/GreedyRosie/status/956636194917449735 …

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    workingclassrabble @GreedyRosie
    Replying to @Conor8923 @butterflygone02 and 2 others
    ‘Less privileged?’ Women are the least privileged group there is. Told by ppl like you that their biology means less than a feeling in a man’s head. You need to stop disrespecting women - and stop referring to them as cis.
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      1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26

        I am sick of the wars between gender-sceptical feminists & trans activists & think people must be able to believe what they want abt gender & express it even if it's wrong. Ppl have the right to be wrong. But the idea that women are more oppressed than trans ppl is laughable.

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      2. OGB #FBPE‏ @OlGingerBastard Jan 26
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Trans women are not women by definition. This is the central fallacy of the argument, surely?

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26
        Replying to @OlGingerBastard

        Well, no. People who don't accept trans women as women, call them transwomen - a noun different to 'women'. People who do call them 'trans women' - trans being an adjective to describe a woman, like 'black woman.'

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      4. OGB #FBPE‏ @OlGingerBastard Jan 26
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Only a man can be a trans woman - a woman cannot ever be a trans woman

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26
        Replying to @OlGingerBastard

        OK, but that is what is debated. You must realise this.

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      6. OGB #FBPE‏ @OlGingerBastard Jan 26
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        There is no debating this. It's simple undeniable fact. To be a trans woman being a man is prerequisite.

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      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26
        Replying to @OlGingerBastard

        This depends on defining 'man' by genitals. If someone's chromosomes and/or hormones and/or brain structure and function are female, they will still be considered a trans woman but were they born a man?

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      8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26
        Replying to @HPluckrose @OlGingerBastard

        This is what is debated. A trans person is someone whose gender doesn't match their gonads and neuroscience & endocrinology & genetics are increasingly explaining why it doesn't. If you woke up with a vagina tmrw, you'd still know you were a man coz your brain & hormones said so

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      9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 26
        Replying to @HPluckrose @OlGingerBastard

        Gender correlates closely with gonads but does not always define it. Good case study of a baby boy with a damaged penis. Doctors constructed a vagina for him & he was raised as a girl. He still always felt he was a boy. His brain told him so & neuroscience tells us how it did.

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      1. Tris Mamone  🌹‏ @tmamone Jan 26
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Pretty much. Haters may have a legal right to say hateful things about trans people, but I have a legal right to say, “Fuck you!” Freedom of speech =/= freedom from criticism

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      1. Prez Cannady‏ @prezcannady Jan 26
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Fair enough. Give as good as you take and vice versa.

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      1. Anne  🙊 🙈 🙉‏ @picaae Jan 26
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        So, I heard that TERFs are looking for a new term that sounds less transphobic, so intsead of "trans" they're trying "penis" and the result of that is PERF.

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      1. Terry Aki  🎃 🕸️ 👻‏ @huckleterryfinn Jan 27
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I'd say trans women are men who feel uncomfortable being men and wish to be women. Regardless of this I still think it makes sense to speak of male/female humans = men/women. If trans women were women they wouldn't be trans.

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      1. King of Zeroes ⑨‏ @KevinDahmer Jan 26
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I accept your terms.

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