I am sick of the wars between gender-sceptical feminists & trans activists & think people must be able to believe what they want abt gender & express it even if it's wrong. Ppl have the right to be wrong. But the idea that women are more oppressed than trans ppl is laughable.
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Trans women are not women by definition. This is the central fallacy of the argument, surely?
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Well, no. People who don't accept trans women as women, call them transwomen - a noun different to 'women'. People who do call them 'trans women' - trans being an adjective to describe a woman, like 'black woman.'
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Only a man can be a trans woman - a woman cannot ever be a trans woman
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OK, but that is what is debated. You must realise this.
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There is no debating this. It's simple undeniable fact. To be a trans woman being a man is prerequisite.
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This depends on defining 'man' by genitals. If someone's chromosomes and/or hormones and/or brain structure and function are female, they will still be considered a trans woman but were they born a man?
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This is what is debated. A trans person is someone whose gender doesn't match their gonads and neuroscience & endocrinology & genetics are increasingly explaining why it doesn't. If you woke up with a vagina tmrw, you'd still know you were a man coz your brain & hormones said so
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Gender correlates closely with gonads but does not always define it. Good case study of a baby boy with a damaged penis. Doctors constructed a vagina for him & he was raised as a girl. He still always felt he was a boy. His brain told him so & neuroscience tells us how it did.
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Pretty much. Haters may have a legal right to say hateful things about trans people, but I have a legal right to say, “Fuck you!” Freedom of speech =/= freedom from criticism
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Fair enough. Give as good as you take and vice versa.
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So, I heard that TERFs are looking for a new term that sounds less transphobic, so intsead of "trans" they're trying "penis" and the result of that is PERF.
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I'd say trans women are men who feel uncomfortable being men and wish to be women. Regardless of this I still think it makes sense to speak of male/female humans = men/women. If trans women were women they wouldn't be trans.
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I accept your terms.
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