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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 23

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Toney Malks

      I'm very glad to hear it because I have 2 coming up which address these points. 1) What critics of postmodernism are and and are not criticising - also addresses the claim that postmodernism is dead or never really existed. 2) Why postmodernism is not 'cultural Marxism'. (FFS)https://twitter.com/ExotericArlvy/status/955935098062430219 …

      Helen Pluckrose added,

      Toney Malks @ExotericArlvy
      @HPluckrose be interesting to hear your thoughts on this or even get an article on it https://www.viewpointmag.com/2018/01/23/postmodernism-not-take-place-jordan-petersons-12-rules-life/amp/ …
      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 23
      Replying to @MichaelUhrig2

      Nah. That's condensed PoMo.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Chris Colose‏ @CColose Jan 23
      Replying to @HPluckrose @MichaelUhrig2

      Part of the issue is that there is a complex Venn Diagram of terms that no one has articulated very well for those who cannot read dozens of volumes of French philosophy or track its time evolution in US, etc.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Chris Colose‏ @CColose Jan 23
      Replying to @CColose @HPluckrose @MichaelUhrig2

      If JP is misrepresenting authors that is useful to point out, but the masses relate to his articulation of a modern phenomena they intuit to be occurring but couldnt articulate.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. Chris Colose‏ @CColose Jan 23
      Replying to @CColose @HPluckrose @MichaelUhrig2

      These trackbacks to their origins are dense and define too many terms w other terms or "writings of X" or "Y school of thought." For outreach, it is inpenetrable.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 23
      Replying to @MichaelUhrig2 @CColose

      If that's how you define 'cultural marxism', sure, but it;s unclear why that is the definition when it so different to Marxism and Marxists hate it so much.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 23
      Replying to @MichaelUhrig2 @CColose

      Not good enough. Dismantling oppressive systems in society is what liberals do but the significant thing is whether they are systems which need dismantling and how they go about doing that. Feudalism, slavery patriarchy, theocracy - all great ones to dismantle.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 23
      Replying to @HPluckrose @MichaelUhrig2 @CColose

      When it comes to Marxism vs postmodernism, we have a very different mentality and we see this on the level of epistemology. We have being straightforwardly wrong whilst believing in objective truth and science (Marxism) vs believing there is no right and wrong and not (PoMo)

      4:51 PM - 23 Jan 2018
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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 23
          Replying to @HPluckrose @MichaelUhrig2 @CColose

          We can't call everything which sees oppressed and oppressor classes 'Marxism' just because they saw it in social class. I am going to write a thing which honestly acknowledges that PoMo stepped into the place of Marxism, fulfils same moral foundations & uses some of its ideas.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 23
          Replying to @HPluckrose @MichaelUhrig2 @CColose

          But we have to look at postmodernism and related SocJus as it really is - understand the epistemology & politics underlying it, recognise that it has abandoned class issues & the working class and taken the left into bourgeois academic elitism.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        4. James Oakes‏ @thatsjoakes Jan 23
          Replying to @HPluckrose @MichaelUhrig2 @CColose

          But Marxism abandoned class issues too. That's what cultural Marxism means.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 23
          Replying to @thatsjoakes @MichaelUhrig2 @CColose

          Huh? Then how is it Marxism?

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        6. James Oakes‏ @thatsjoakes Jan 23
          Replying to @HPluckrose @MichaelUhrig2 @CColose

          It's still revolutionary. It just no longer sees class difference as the instrument of revolution.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 23
          Replying to @thatsjoakes @MichaelUhrig2 @CColose

          Yes. The revolutionary aspect has moved on from class issues (Marxism) to identity & language issues (postmodernism)

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        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 23
          Replying to @HPluckrose @thatsjoakes and

          'Marxism' is not synonymous with 'dismantling perceived structural oppression' or with 'revolution'. That drive can be targeted at anything from slavery to patriarchy to feudalism to theocracy to liberalism. Marxism did it with class.

          4 replies 1 retweet 5 likes
        9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 23
          Replying to @HPluckrose @thatsjoakes and

          If Marxism abandons class issues, it's not Marxism. In the same way, if feminism abandoned women's rights, it just wouldn't be feminism. And if vegetarians start eating meat, they're no longer vegetarians. This isn't a no true scotsman. Those words mean something.

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