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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 20

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    Provided 'attacked' is the usual stand-in for 'strongly disagreed with', this is very positive. Women are getting increasingly vocal in their refusal to accept the demonisation of men, the infantilisation of women & the trivialisation of sexual assault. https://twitter.com/laura_hudson/status/953706903254614016 …

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      2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 20

        Laura's article provides a very good summary of just how many prominent women have raised concerns about the excesses of #MeToo and the reasons they gave for it. The argument that they're old & oppose progress is far less convincing.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 20

        The argument 'Older women said reasonable feminist activism was going too far in the past so that's what's happening now' doesn't work. History is also full of examples of groups going too far and people saying so. We're an excessive species.

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      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 20

        It's much like the 'People said <groundbreaking scientific genius> was mad too' argument. Do you know who gets called mad even more than groundbreaking scientific geniuses? Mad people.

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      2. Adrian Bailey‏ @BaileyNagy Jan 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        @laura_hudson It's a good piece and I'm sad, though not surprised, that some women can't let other women have their say without carping.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 20
        Replying to @BaileyNagy @laura_hudson

        They can have their say. I wouldn't stop them. I will respond tho because it matters.

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      2. Terry Varga Φ‏ @MacBitseach Jan 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I just got done with a thread wherein a woman complained about being sexually objectified and told men to "Grow the fuck up." She claimed she was only talking to men who objectify her, (it seemed all about her to me), and that my objection was just me being sensitive.

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      3. Raymond McCue  💗⚤ 💜⚣ 💙,  🏳️‍🌈‏ @RayMcCue Jan 20
        Replying to @MacBitseach @HPluckrose

        It's called #MotteAndBailey rhetoric https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Motte_and_bailey …

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      4. Terry Varga Φ‏ @MacBitseach Jan 20
        Replying to @RayMcCue @HPluckrose

        I'd like your opinion... does this sound like she's talking to a few guys objectifying her or all men? I do have a bit of bias (well earned) and can read things into words that are not intended. Her friends all claimed she was talking to only a few guys. I'd like a neutral view.pic.twitter.com/tuB42BJX5u

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 20
        Replying to @MacBitseach @RayMcCue

        Could be either but 'objectification' is largely meaningless,

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      6. Terry Varga Φ‏ @MacBitseach Jan 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose @RayMcCue

        Thanks, Helen. The vagueness of who she was talking to is enough for me to forgive myself if I misunderstood. (Though I'm not sure I did.)

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      7. Terry Varga Φ‏ @MacBitseach Jan 20
        Replying to @MacBitseach @HPluckrose @RayMcCue

        Terry Varga Φ Retweeted

        If you're interested, (As I said, I'm done with the thread,) you can see it here. https://twitter.com/loopyloulou1982/status/954295071033184256 … One of her friends followed me because, "You make me laugh," and I had to block him.

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      8. Terry Varga Φ‏ @MacBitseach Jan 21
        Replying to @MacBitseach @HPluckrose @RayMcCue

        Wow. She followed me out of the thread to continue, so I blocked her. Now she's calling me a snowflake behind the block. (Shrugs)

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      2. Henry Fitzgerald‏ @HenryTarquin Jan 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I'm more concerned with her being "deeply depressed" with the demographic composition of the people who disagree with her.

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      3. Henry Fitzgerald‏ @HenryTarquin Jan 20
        Replying to @HenryTarquin @HPluckrose

        It's like she's saying: "So long as it was mainly men telling me I was wrong I could of course ignore them. But now it's people who MATTER"

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      1. flabberghosted(Am I an NPC?)‏ @observeaddict Jan 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Yet another attempt to make words seem more violent, but, yes, it’s encouraging to see women embrace universal values!

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      1. ヾ(。ꏿ﹏ꏿ)ノ゙‏ @VastScenario Jan 21
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        It seems like we've reached a stage where the criticisms of other women can no longer be ignored. That might be a step forward.

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      1. Movietime Blues‏ @Movietime_Blues Jan 21
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Maybe those women are starting to understand that misandry does indirectly affect them, sooner or later? Or maybe they were too afraid of crossing "the sisterhood."

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      1. "Chef" is in My Account Name For a Reason‏ @ChefJackButler Jan 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Could we get a clarification? Is she depressed about how many women "attacked" her? Or is she depressed that more men *didn't*?

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      1. Terynce Tzu (TAFKA Terr bear  🐻)‏ @AnglerFishLure Jan 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        This pleases me.

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      2. Prez Cannady‏ @prezcannady Jan 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Likewise, Americans are increasingly vocal in their refusal to accept "demonisation" over "demonization." For Christ's sake, only one spellchecks on a Mac.

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      3. Raymond McCue  💗⚤ 💜⚣ 💙,  🏳️‍🌈‏ @RayMcCue Jan 20
        Replying to @prezcannady @HPluckrose

        Meh, I'm cool wit' it

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