OK but then we'd all be hunter-gatherers, dying in childbirth and from tooth problems and killing each other in tribal warfare.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @AnglerFishLure
I think the clear issue with Western culture/ society is that the foundation was scooped out without any foundational replacement. Yes, I mean Christianity. I believe that has caused a situation where ethics/ morality is not agreed upon. 1/
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Which is not to say everyone in Western society must be Christan. Nor am I claiming Western morality is based solely in Christianity but it does come to us through Christianity. I see no inherent problems with true liberalism, and I fully believe in it in the strictest sense. 2/
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As in, freedom of the individual. Having lost our foundation of our morality the vacuum has created a society that is drifting in a sea of chaos. Unmoored from itself. We need a foundational identity and ideals to stand on and to stand for. 3/
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Replying to @RonaldDPotts1 @AnglerFishLure
OK but we got many of our core values by pushing back at Christianity. Also our moral foundations are pretty consistent. I think we are more unified in our core values than we seem because we're in the current situation and can see all the details which we can't for history.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @AnglerFishLure
Okay, I'm gonna get into the weeds a bit but if you will indulge me for a moment. Is it that we got many of our moral values by pushing back at Christianity or that we pushed back against the Christian authorities to apply the moral values of Christianity more correctly? 1/
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I don't know but I think it's a valid question. I am definitely not advocating that we must all be Christian and I am very very much against any church/ state marriage in even the slightest. Christianity is sort of beside the point I want to actually bring up. 2/
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Again, sorry for the long winded reply. The main question I have for an atheistic morality does it sell universally or is it culturally specific?
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Replying to @RonaldDPotts1 @AnglerFishLure
There is always a culturally specific nature to morality, atheistic or theistic.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @AnglerFishLure
Well, yes. I make no claim of expertise, but I do claim familiarity with history and world cultures. I think an important question is there another culture that has placed such a high importance on the individual as Western culture. I'm not aware of any, but maybe there is.
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No, this is a new and strange development and required loosening the grip of Christianity,
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Replying to @HPluckrose @AnglerFishLure
I agree this is a completely new development that is contrary to human existence, and it's not even a blink of an eye in history.
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