We just have to keep working at it. The option to all agree isn't available.
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Replying to @AnglerFishLure
Then be a realist. If we don't try to reach ethical agreement, we won't. If we do try, we'll get as close as we can.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
I don't believe the two to be mutually exclusive. It feels like opting out of participating in the process is the safest way for the layman.
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Replying to @AnglerFishLure
OK but then we'd all be hunter-gatherers, dying in childbirth and from tooth problems and killing each other in tribal warfare.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @AnglerFishLure
I think the clear issue with Western culture/ society is that the foundation was scooped out without any foundational replacement. Yes, I mean Christianity. I believe that has caused a situation where ethics/ morality is not agreed upon. 1/
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Which is not to say everyone in Western society must be Christan. Nor am I claiming Western morality is based solely in Christianity but it does come to us through Christianity. I see no inherent problems with true liberalism, and I fully believe in it in the strictest sense. 2/
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As in, freedom of the individual. Having lost our foundation of our morality the vacuum has created a society that is drifting in a sea of chaos. Unmoored from itself. We need a foundational identity and ideals to stand on and to stand for. 3/
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Replying to @RonaldDPotts1 @AnglerFishLure
OK but we got many of our core values by pushing back at Christianity. Also our moral foundations are pretty consistent. I think we are more unified in our core values than we seem because we're in the current situation and can see all the details which we can't for history.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @AnglerFishLure
Okay, I'm gonna get into the weeds a bit but if you will indulge me for a moment. Is it that we got many of our moral values by pushing back at Christianity or that we pushed back against the Christian authorities to apply the moral values of Christianity more correctly? 1/
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The former. We decided that slavery was wrong, that women and LGBTs should have rights, that torturing people for believing something different is wrong.
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