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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Terynce Tzu (TAFKA Terr bear  🐻)‏ @AnglerFishLure Jan 20
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I agree with all of that on paper, but application of those principles seems to be tricky because, as we have seen, rights can be weaponised and equality often gets mistaken with equity.

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    2. Terynce Tzu (TAFKA Terr bear  🐻)‏ @AnglerFishLure Jan 20
      Replying to @AnglerFishLure @HPluckrose

      If we can't agree on the turf upon which to play the game of life, how can we apply rules without inevitably including multiple exceptions?

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 20
      Replying to @AnglerFishLure

      We just have to keep working at it. The option to all agree isn't available.

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    4. Terynce Tzu (TAFKA Terr bear  🐻)‏ @AnglerFishLure Jan 20
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Like I said, I'm not an optimist. Lol

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 20
      Replying to @AnglerFishLure

      Then be a realist. If we don't try to reach ethical agreement, we won't. If we do try, we'll get as close as we can.

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    6. Terynce Tzu (TAFKA Terr bear  🐻)‏ @AnglerFishLure Jan 20
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I don't believe the two to be mutually exclusive. It feels like opting out of participating in the process is the safest way for the layman.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 20
      Replying to @AnglerFishLure

      OK but then we'd all be hunter-gatherers, dying in childbirth and from tooth problems and killing each other in tribal warfare.

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    8. Ronald D. Potts  🇺🇲‏ @RonaldDPotts1 Jan 20
      Replying to @HPluckrose @AnglerFishLure

      I think the clear issue with Western culture/ society is that the foundation was scooped out without any foundational replacement. Yes, I mean Christianity. I believe that has caused a situation where ethics/ morality is not agreed upon. 1/

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    9. Ronald D. Potts  🇺🇲‏ @RonaldDPotts1 Jan 20
      Replying to @RonaldDPotts1 @HPluckrose @AnglerFishLure

      Which is not to say everyone in Western society must be Christan. Nor am I claiming Western morality is based solely in Christianity but it does come to us through Christianity. I see no inherent problems with true liberalism, and I fully believe in it in the strictest sense. 2/

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    10. Ronald D. Potts  🇺🇲‏ @RonaldDPotts1 Jan 20
      Replying to @RonaldDPotts1 @HPluckrose @AnglerFishLure

      As in, freedom of the individual. Having lost our foundation of our morality the vacuum has created a society that is drifting in a sea of chaos. Unmoored from itself. We need a foundational identity and ideals to stand on and to stand for. 3/

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 20
      Replying to @RonaldDPotts1 @AnglerFishLure

      OK but we got many of our core values by pushing back at Christianity. Also our moral foundations are pretty consistent. I think we are more unified in our core values than we seem because we're in the current situation and can see all the details which we can't for history.

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        2. Ronald D. Potts  🇺🇲‏ @RonaldDPotts1 Jan 20
          Replying to @HPluckrose @AnglerFishLure

          Okay, I'm gonna get into the weeds a bit but if you will indulge me for a moment. Is it that we got many of our moral values by pushing back at Christianity or that we pushed back against the Christian authorities to apply the moral values of Christianity more correctly? 1/

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        3. Ronald D. Potts  🇺🇲‏ @RonaldDPotts1 Jan 20
          Replying to @RonaldDPotts1 @HPluckrose @AnglerFishLure

          I don't know but I think it's a valid question. I am definitely not advocating that we must all be Christian and I am very very much against any church/ state marriage in even the slightest. Christianity is sort of beside the point I want to actually bring up. 2/

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        4. Ronald D. Potts  🇺🇲‏ @RonaldDPotts1 Jan 20
          Replying to @RonaldDPotts1 @HPluckrose @AnglerFishLure

          Again, sorry for the long winded reply. The main question I have for an atheistic morality does it sell universally or is it culturally specific?

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 20
          Replying to @RonaldDPotts1 @AnglerFishLure

          There is always a culturally specific nature to morality, atheistic or theistic.

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        6. Ronald D. Potts  🇺🇲‏ @RonaldDPotts1 Jan 20
          Replying to @HPluckrose @AnglerFishLure

          Well, yes. I make no claim of expertise, but I do claim familiarity with history and world cultures. I think an important question is there another culture that has placed such a high importance on the individual as Western culture. I'm not aware of any, but maybe there is.

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        7. Ronald D. Potts  🇺🇲‏ @RonaldDPotts1 Jan 20
          Replying to @RonaldDPotts1 @HPluckrose @AnglerFishLure

          I ask that specifically because as I understand it value for the individual is the foundation if liberalism

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        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 20
          Replying to @RonaldDPotts1 @AnglerFishLure

          Yes, Christianity is not keen on it and an accusation of atheists is that they are too individualistic. I wrote a paper on this in Augustinian confessionalism,

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        9. Ronald D. Potts  🇺🇲‏ @RonaldDPotts1 Jan 20
          Replying to @HPluckrose @AnglerFishLure

          I disagree. I see individualism as the basis of Christianity. Out of the gate the Bible states that the individual is divine. There's no doubt that Church have oppose authorities individualism and independence. It's valid to separate the ideal from it's practicioners IMO

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