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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 20
      Replying to @prezcannady

      No, they're not perfect. I still have them tho.

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    2. Prez Cannady‏ @prezcannady Jan 20
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      In that case, I recommend giving up on perfecting dignity. It's relevance to determining credit risk declines generation after generation, so not sure why I have to mortgage freedom and opportunity to preserve the honor of folks I don't even like.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 20
      Replying to @prezcannady

      I have no idea what you're talking about. It doesn't seem to relate to anything I have said but maybe the opposite. By safeguarding the dignity & rights of the individual, I mean valuing the individual rather than the tribe. A default that they should have rights & autonomy.

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    4. Prez Cannady‏ @prezcannady Jan 20
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Then I mistook your use of "dignity" to convey something other than rhetorical flourish when married with "rights," and for that I apologize.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 20
      Replying to @prezcannady

      It feels like you really want to have a problem with what I am saying but can't figure out what exactly. Perhaps you could spell out very clearly what you think is our point of disagreement?

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    6. Prez Cannady‏ @prezcannady Jan 20
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Was clear from the get go. In the triad of opportunity, freedom and dignity, something has to give. I elected dignity. But your point actually concerned "dignity and rights," which apparently deals with something other than dignity proper, I acknowledge my tangent and withdraw.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 20
      Replying to @prezcannady

      OK. I also mentioned, science, reason and progress so I wasn't sure which three. I'm not sure why something would have to give tho. People must have the freedom not to have dignity, obviously and the consequences of not respecting someone else's are mostly social.

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    8. Prez Cannady‏ @prezcannady Jan 20
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Wasn't sure what it means to perfect science, reason and (especially) progress meant, so assumed it only applied to the three elements concerning the human condition. If we're talking about dignity proper now, then my issue was with "safeguarding" it.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 20
      Replying to @prezcannady

      What specifically? Do you want the right to strip people of dignity? I realise this is a very vague term and people can claim this has happened when someone disagrees with them but in general, do you not think people should be able to live a dignified life unmolested?

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    10. Prez Cannady‏ @prezcannady Jan 20
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      As hermits, yeah. Under any circumstances where your "dignified life unmolested" imposes even one iota of obligation on others? No. I'd wager those circumstances are legion.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 20
      Replying to @prezcannady

      Could you give an example?

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        2. Prez Cannady‏ @prezcannady Jan 20
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          We could go through the usual American litany from Kim Davis to Whatcott to the Kleins, but this is my personal favorite: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/05/russian-youtuber-convicted-of-blasphemy-after-playing-pokemon-go-in-a-church/ …pic.twitter.com/FqTyTZcL33

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 20
          Replying to @prezcannady

          But what is an example? Presumably, they didn't take naked photos through a window and publish them? Didn't make people humiliate themselves under threats of violence? Didn't go through their search history? Did they just mock someone's religion or pronouns or something?

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        4. Prez Cannady‏ @prezcannady Jan 20
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I'm never been a fan of safeguarding either dignity and its pernicious cousin privacy. I'd rather seek a way of life where defamation and exposure are inconsequential (and I'm almost there). The matter of violence is, of course, a different bag all together.

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