I'm not hugely optimistic that we'll ever perfect equal opportunity, freedom of belief and expression, safeguarding the dignity and rights of the individual regardless of race/gender/sexuality, science, reason & progress. I just think trying to is better than not trying to.https://twitter.com/AnglerFishLure/status/954716281416093698 …
It feels like you really want to have a problem with what I am saying but can't figure out what exactly. Perhaps you could spell out very clearly what you think is our point of disagreement?
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Was clear from the get go. In the triad of opportunity, freedom and dignity, something has to give. I elected dignity. But your point actually concerned "dignity and rights," which apparently deals with something other than dignity proper, I acknowledge my tangent and withdraw.
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OK. I also mentioned, science, reason and progress so I wasn't sure which three. I'm not sure why something would have to give tho. People must have the freedom not to have dignity, obviously and the consequences of not respecting someone else's are mostly social.
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Wasn't sure what it means to perfect science, reason and (especially) progress meant, so assumed it only applied to the three elements concerning the human condition. If we're talking about dignity proper now, then my issue was with "safeguarding" it.
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What specifically? Do you want the right to strip people of dignity? I realise this is a very vague term and people can claim this has happened when someone disagrees with them but in general, do you not think people should be able to live a dignified life unmolested?
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As hermits, yeah. Under any circumstances where your "dignified life unmolested" imposes even one iota of obligation on others? No. I'd wager those circumstances are legion.
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Could you give an example?
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We could go through the usual American litany from Kim Davis to Whatcott to the Kleins, but this is my personal favorite: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/05/russian-youtuber-convicted-of-blasphemy-after-playing-pokemon-go-in-a-church/ …pic.twitter.com/FqTyTZcL33
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But what is an example? Presumably, they didn't take naked photos through a window and publish them? Didn't make people humiliate themselves under threats of violence? Didn't go through their search history? Did they just mock someone's religion or pronouns or something?
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