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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 20

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Terynce Tzu (TAFKA Terr bear  🐻)

    I'm not hugely optimistic that we'll ever perfect equal opportunity, freedom of belief and expression, safeguarding the dignity and rights of the individual regardless of race/gender/sexuality, science, reason & progress. I just think trying to is better than not trying to.https://twitter.com/AnglerFishLure/status/954716281416093698 …

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    Terynce Tzu (TAFKA Terr bear  🐻) @AnglerFishLure
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    Perhaps. You're more optimistic than I am. 🙂
    6:10 AM - 20 Jan 2018
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      2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 20
        Replying to @prezcannady

        I have all of them right now, thanks. I'd like to preserve that.

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      3. Prez Cannady‏ @prezcannady Jan 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Congrats. That's a big change from 13 minutes ago then.

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      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 20
        Replying to @prezcannady

        ?

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      5. Prez Cannady‏ @prezcannady Jan 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        "I'm not hugely optimistic that we'll ever perfect equal opportunity, freedom of belief and expression, safeguarding the dignity and rights of the individual regardless of race/gender/sexuality..." If you've since managed to perfect all three since, more power to you.

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      6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 20
        Replying to @prezcannady

        No, they're not perfect. I still have them tho.

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      7. Prez Cannady‏ @prezcannady Jan 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        In that case, I recommend giving up on perfecting dignity. It's relevance to determining credit risk declines generation after generation, so not sure why I have to mortgage freedom and opportunity to preserve the honor of folks I don't even like.

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      8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 20
        Replying to @prezcannady

        I have no idea what you're talking about. It doesn't seem to relate to anything I have said but maybe the opposite. By safeguarding the dignity & rights of the individual, I mean valuing the individual rather than the tribe. A default that they should have rights & autonomy.

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      2. Helen Wilson‏ @premodernism Jan 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        For real equal opportunity everyone would have to have the same genetics.... sounds like dystopia territory...

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 20
        Replying to @premodernism

        But that isn't what is meant by equal opportunity and you know this. It means that the opportunities are made available to everyone, not that everyone will have the skills to take advantage of them.

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      4. Helen Wilson‏ @premodernism Jan 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I think it is. Would you agree that granting a person with a really low IQ, (who isn't able to function properly in society) with a functional IQ would be giving them an opportunity? I do. We'll be there before I die I'm guessing. That's mostly my point, not trying to be obtuse.

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 20
        Replying to @premodernism

        You think people mean being genetically identical by equal opportunity? I think they mean not discriminating by race, gender, sexuality etc in deciding who has access to job opportunities.

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      6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose @premodernism

        Quite possibly. Developing to ability to improve mental disability is not the topic tho.

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      7. Helen Wilson‏ @premodernism Jan 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        One thing I do with ideas is try to take them to dystopian sci-fi novel extremes to see how they hold up. Also gives you defenses against potential counter arguments... I do it with alot of stuff

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      8. Helen Wilson‏ @premodernism Jan 20
        Replying to @premodernism @HPluckrose

        ^^^^ classical liberalism holds up to this very well.........

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      1. Harold Weaver Smith‏ @hws5mp Jan 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        It's hard enough to even measure many of those things objectively. I suspect that most of what you can do is look at alleged transgressions on a case-by-case basis and judge them against the general principles you've set.

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      1. Sᴛᴇᴠᴇɴ Wɪʟʟɪᴀᴍꜱᴏɴ‏ @scarce_sense Jan 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        But I'm sure we can discriminate our way to equality and oppress our way to freedom if we believe hard enough. 🙄

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