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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 19

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    Yes, to this thread. It's very worrying. https://twitter.com/GodDoesnt/status/954425472447864832 …

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    11:12 AM - 19 Jan 2018
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    • John Rogan ewige_Winterzeit Nick McLean Barbara murphy @THE1STP🌞WER/Kris ʀɪᴄʜᴀʀᴅ ᴅᴇ ʙᴏᴇʀ Zee Captain markitecture Helen Dale
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      2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 19
        Replying to @canadianmra

        I know many people disagree with us and don't see the devotion and abdication of reason that is going on around him. Whether you agree or not, we're sincere and did not come to this concern lightly.

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      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 19
        Replying to @canadianmra

        I cannot measure. I just know that you can't criticise him like a normal person where others simply say 'I disagree with that.' Instead, dozens of people doing indepth apologism as if for religion and DMing me with personal accounts of how he brought them hope.

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      6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 19
        Replying to @canadianmra

        I'm worried about a whole bundle of complex things including, primarily his epistemology (process of truth) & obscurantism in the style of postmodernism, the fervour and the oversimplified trad gender roles presented as wisdom.

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      8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 19
        Replying to @canadianmra

        He calls it things like wisdom and truth. No, my concern is his epistemology, obscurantism, slipperiness, trad roles simplification & the fervour he inspires. I've threaded many times of aspects of this. I can't do it all again here.

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      2. Stephen Rae‏ @StephenRae12 Jan 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Oh for Gods sake, lighten up. The guy is smart, has real intellectual integrity and shines out like a shaft of bats piss in this dark, unenlightened media world. We put up with all sorts of constant rubbish. Please don’t undermine someone who is having a decent go.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 20
        Replying to @StephenRae12

        I disagree. That is allowed. I want to deal with postmodernism & he makes it harder.

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      4. Stephen Rae‏ @StephenRae12 Jan 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Fair enough. Interestingly, he was the first I came across who specifically linked PM to some of the more outlandish debate currently circulating. How then is he making it harder?

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 20
        Replying to @StephenRae12

        He doesn't understand it, links it simplistically to Marxism and doesn't address the epistemological problems fully because he shares them.

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      6. Stephen Rae‏ @StephenRae12 Jan 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Brilliant essay. I imagine JP’s link to Marxism is less to its class theory and more to the crushing ideology as practiced. Be that as it may, you say he “doesn't address the epistemological problems fully because he shares them”. Could you explain further at some point?

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      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 20
        Replying to @StephenRae12

        What does this look like?pic.twitter.com/28jzI36kFv

        2 replies 1 retweet 3 likes
      8. Stephen Rae‏ @StephenRae12 Jan 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        It looks like it could have been pulled from a PM guide book. Have you hit up JP with this directly?

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      2. Terynce Tzu (TAFKA Terr bear  🐻)‏ @AnglerFishLure Jan 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Helen, I have mulled over this perspective and I do believe there are some flaws. Twitter, as with many other parts of our online experience, is tribal, with or without the application of "care" to those tribes. Unwavering support is, on the surface, akin to that of a cult. 1/

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      3. Terynce Tzu (TAFKA Terr bear  🐻)‏ @AnglerFishLure Jan 20
        Replying to @AnglerFishLure @HPluckrose

        Peterson's fans are no different than the fans of any celebrity with an ideological pov (Rupaul comes to mind). If our measure of concern is based on who his followers are (men), then our critiques are based on the demographic the followers represent, not the behaviour itself. 2/

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      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 20
        Replying to @AnglerFishLure

        I think it is different. I think it's this: From a talk I gave. That's why I'm more interested in it than in fan clubs. I think people need something like this but that we can root it more in objective truth & liberalism.pic.twitter.com/tbGkauyupg

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      5. Terynce Tzu (TAFKA Terr bear  🐻)‏ @AnglerFishLure Jan 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        This is Rupaul as well Helen.

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      6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 20
        Replying to @AnglerFishLure

        Quite possibly but do you see why Peterson is of more interest to someone who talks about postmodernism, liberalism, gender relations and freedom of speech than Rupaul? It's not bias to address methods of ppl tackling the same issues as me rather than completely different ones.

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      7. Terynce Tzu (TAFKA Terr bear  🐻)‏ @AnglerFishLure Jan 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        No, I get it, academically it makes sense. I just don't think the cult argument should be included because that's more cultural than academic.

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      8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 20
        Replying to @AnglerFishLure

        But I am arguing about culture. How these things are affecting culture. How and why Peterson is so popular in the current climate. What he is bringing to the polarisation. How we can fulfil the same needs without trad gender roles and pragmatic notions of truth.

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      9. Terynce Tzu (TAFKA Terr bear  🐻)‏ @AnglerFishLure Jan 20
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        It'll be interesting to read. My suspicion is that people follow him bc they understand liberalism has failed but they don't know why. Attraction to pragmatism is a symptom of that failure, and like the MAGA crowd, people know it used to be better for them but they don't know why

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