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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 19

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted OGB #FBPE

    I find it's usually men who say this tho in a kindly attempt to empathise with how it might feel to be a woman. It's how they would feel if they were suddenly so much weaker than so many people. It's how they do feel if surrounded by men much bigger than them. Women? Not so much.https://twitter.com/OlGingerBastard/status/954317245370519553 …

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    OGB #FBPE @OlGingerBastard
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    I think it would be a very good and useful thing for men to understand how it might feel to be aware that you can easily be physically dominated and seriously harmed by the majority of people (men) around you. It should make men think enough to modulate their behavior if necess..
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      2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 19

        In certain situations & environments? Yes. If you've been a victim of violence before? Very likely. Generally, tho, in my experience, women do not go around routinely assessing their probability of winning a fight with the people they encounter. This is a male thing.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 19

        This is my impression in discussions with men, anyway. Men much more aware of the potential for violence between men & much more likely to assess who could take who in any interaction even if this is done on a subconscious level. This is useful & probably reduces violence overall

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      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 19

        Women don't tend to do this because we're nearly always going to lose in any fight any against man & fights between women tend to be verbal. Our risk assessments are different. They involve avoiding dangerous situations, getting back-up or planning escape routes.

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 19

        Most of the time, we simply go about our lives taking reasonable precautions and assuming that men are not going to harm us & that if one tries to, that other men will intervene. This is nearly always a fair assumption.

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      2. OGB #FBPE‏ @OlGingerBastard Jan 19
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        On my part its a reflection on when I've been in heated debate with a woman, and when a short while later, after calming down and looked back at my actions and manner critically, I've felt moved to apologise, and trying to literally see things through the other persons eyes...

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      3. OGB #FBPE‏ @OlGingerBastard Jan 19
        Replying to @OlGingerBastard @HPluckrose

        ... have seen this physically bigger person using a raised voice and hand waving gestures - although not intended as physical intimidation, I can easily see how that might be the effect. I know the true state of my temperament, but that might not be so obvious to my opponent

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      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 19
        Replying to @OlGingerBastard

        Yep, see. Kindly empathy but through your own perspective.

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      5. OGB #FBPE‏ @OlGingerBastard Jan 19
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        My own perspective is the only one I can be absolutely sure of. I can attempt to see through someone elses, that is empathy, no? I can only make an educated, informed guess at best as to how my behavior might seem threatening to others, in their context.

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      6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 19
        Replying to @OlGingerBastard

        Absolutely. I think this is a very positive thing to do. I am not criticising it, merely interested in how you see things.

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      2. Daily Tenjin‏ @integralvdu Jan 19
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I don’t understand why more women don’t take Krav Maga or jiu jitsu

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 19
        Replying to @integralvdu

        Not very many women are interested in martial arts and it's a lot of time and energy investment when we're not very likely to get attacked.

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      4. Daily Tenjin‏ @integralvdu Jan 19
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        That kinda makes sense, but it doesn’t have a become a new lifestyle, just a lesson a week can have a huge impact. No one is immune to violence

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      1. BoyGeorgist 🔰‏ @BoyGeorgist Jan 19
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Indeed. Because most violence is male on male. It makes sense on a cautious basis that I am wary when walking into a bar full of big burly men. Statistically, if someone is getting beaten up by them it is me and not the tiny waitress.

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      1. Nine-Banded Books‏ @NineBandedBooks Jan 19
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I know this will sound tone-deaf, but it's worth noting that men are statistically more likely than women to be victims of violence by male perpetrators. And I would wager that most men are more familiar with the feeling they empathically impart to women than they care to admit.

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