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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 17

      You've read Maps of Meaning where he sets out his view of objective truth & the affective reality of the mythic world? How does this differ from postmodernism?pic.twitter.com/WNggI6L8kP

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 17
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Atticus_Amber and

      He does differ from it because he values metanarratives but knowledge and truth are still regarded as socially constructed by discourse and rooted in feelings & lived experience. This is why people say his epistemology mirrors that of postmodernism.

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    3. Logos‏ @speakthelogos Jan 17
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Atticus_Amber and

      Well, of course lived experience is one of the roots of truth. It's simply a form of Empiricism. Scientists' research is done as a subset of lived experience. Does that invalidate their work?

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 17
      Replying to @speakthelogos @Atticus_Amber and

      No, it's not. They do not talk about how they experience the results of experiments. They show the results. I need to go to bed. Enough now.

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    5. Logos‏ @speakthelogos Jan 17
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Atticus_Amber and

      That's not true at all. They observe the results. Observation is a lived experience. If you never had the lived experience of observing an apple fall, you wouldn't be able to reason about theories and then conduct experiments with more dropped apples.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 17
      Replying to @speakthelogos @Atticus_Amber and

      No, observation is not what is meant by lived experience. This is a much deeper thing which JPB refers to in terms of archetypes.

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        2. Logos‏ @speakthelogos Jan 17
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Atticus_Amber and

          Well sure it goes deeper, but we're not at that level. We'd have to work up to it. Peterson's views are reducible to a rationalist, materialist, scientific, empiricist definition. I sincerely mean that, because I come from that camp. But it takes a bit to lay that out.

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        3. Logos‏ @speakthelogos Jan 17
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          Archetypes are observable, because we see them repeatedly in cultures across time. What they are, like metaphysically, is tough to define. But it's hard to say what a number is metaphysically as well. But numbers are enormously useful, so we use them. Archetypes are similar.

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        4. Logos‏ @speakthelogos Jan 17
          Replying to @speakthelogos @HPluckrose and

          That's where a touch of the Pragmatism comes in. No one knows what the hell math is - but we accept that it's useful and true and beautiful for whatever reason. But it's certainly not "false" just because it isn't composed of baryonic matter.

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        5. Logos‏ @speakthelogos Jan 17
          Replying to @speakthelogos @HPluckrose and

          Archetypes persist across time and across culture, with profound psychological impact on people. Writers use them liberally because we pretty much only care about archetypal stories. People brand themselves archetypally and it works for some damn reason. It's not easy to dismiss.

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 17
          Replying to @speakthelogos @Atticus_Amber and

          You don't have to. I don't.

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        7. Logos‏ @speakthelogos Jan 17
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Atticus_Amber and

          Most writers don't, I've noticed! Rereading JP's passages, he seems to be suggesting that reduced belief in the existence of a mythological or idealized or Hyperreal world is a bad thing - not that objectivity is false.

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        8. Logos‏ @speakthelogos Jan 17
          Replying to @speakthelogos @HPluckrose and

          In fact, he explicitly says the cause of the waning belief was that we got so good at measuring the objective, material world! That presupposes the existence of that very objective world.

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