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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 17

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Steve Capitano

      Good luck with that! Truth doesn't care much whether it serves the purpose of humanity or not. XD Otherwise we could just make all the unpleasant truths not true any more & then we'd never die, there'd be no war, famine, global waming etc. Better to acknowledge them & deal.https://twitter.com/CalabreseJuve/status/953812626689019904 …

      Helen Pluckrose added,

      Steve Capitano @CalabreseJuve
      Replying to @HPluckrose @marknutter and 3 others
      I fail to understand how that is relevant to his point. You fail to observe the implications of his statement where truth also needs to serve the purpose of humanity.
      5 replies 6 retweets 36 likes
    2. SteelMan‏ @GenerationStraw Jan 17
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      JP did a poor job of explaining his position on this during the first Sam Harris interview; he’s cleared it up fairly well at this point. Does not deny the existence of factual truth but posits existence of meta truths, something more along the likes of Jung’s archetypal truths

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. SteelMan‏ @GenerationStraw Jan 17
      Replying to @GenerationStraw @HPluckrose

      Agree or disagree, I don’t care, fan of your work. Please don’t strawman him to death though. Too many people doing that already

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 17
      Replying to @GenerationStraw

      Thank you. It is not that I Strawman him. It's that people do not see the difference in our epistemologies as as vitally important as I do. They think it's trivial or semantic. I think it's fundamental.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    5. SteelMan‏ @GenerationStraw Jan 17
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      My position is that you’re misunderstanding him. If I believed what I think you believe about his epistemology I’d agree with you. He’s spent a good deal of time clarifying his position since that train wreck first go with Harris.

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 17
      Replying to @GenerationStraw

      Yes but he clarifies it in the same way! Truth is what makes us survive. There is an affective truth found in mythology. Knowledge is constructed in language.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    7. SteelMan‏ @GenerationStraw Jan 17
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      If there is no God, words have no objective meaning, yes? So he can technically say “for the purpose of this conversation, ‘truth’ means a fart of not less than 2 seconds duration” and so long as his conversational partners agree, the word’s meaning has been temporarily changed.

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    8. SteelMan‏ @GenerationStraw Jan 17
      Replying to @GenerationStraw @HPluckrose

      What I’m arguing is that he holds two parallel definitions of the word “truth”, neither of which you would fault provided one of them was assigned a different word. Therein lies the problem - what word do you use for his concept of meta-truth?

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 17
      Replying to @GenerationStraw

      See, this is the blurring I'm talking about and peoples tendency to reduce it to a semantic quibble. I wrote this about it. I can't argue any more. It's been hours and it's 4 AM.https://areomagazine.com/2017/12/08/the-problem-with-truth-and-reason-in-a-post-truth-society/ …

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        2. SteelMan‏ @GenerationStraw Jan 17
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Will read. Thx

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        3. SteelMan‏ @GenerationStraw Jan 17
          Replying to @GenerationStraw @HPluckrose

          Read it, extremely balanced / researched and well written, agree with most of it, still disagree about Peterson though I could always be wrong. My most significant criticism of your article... oh, wait, do I hear snoring? I’ll let you sleep. 😂🧠🤐

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        4. SteelMan‏ @GenerationStraw Jan 18
          Replying to @GenerationStraw @HPluckrose

          Gonna give this another try - if you assign a different word to JP’s concept, what I’m calling metatruth or useful truth, do you still have a problem with it? Remember, we’re leaving “objective truth” alone on the throne here as its own unchallenged thing.

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