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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 12

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Quillette

      Very interesting piece. However, I do not say that we need to go backwards and in fact, addressed that accusation in the piece cited when I argue that the modern project & liberalism is inherently progressive. https://areomagazine.com/2017/12/08/the-problem-with-truth-and-reason-in-a-post-truth-society/ …https://twitter.com/QuilletteM/status/951445892480909315 …

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      Quillette @QuilletteM
      Immanuel Kant Against Elitism | @Counteredlogos http://quillette.com/2018/01/11/immanuel-kant-elitism/ …
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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 12

      Nor did I say that good practical reasoning requires intellectual sophistication. I cited Jonathan Haidt to say that this and intelligence just makes the rationalising of flawed intuitions more sophisticated.

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    3. Jacob Phillips‏ @Counteredlogos Jan 12
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I don't think I accused you of that, but I suggested the term 'premodern' implies 'less well developed' etc

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 12
      Replying to @Counteredlogos

      That's right, yes. We spent quite a lot of words explaining why. Have you seen James Taylor, the theologian who says postmodernism can take Christianity back to a pro-government state?

      2:59 PM - 12 Jan 2018
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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 12
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Counteredlogos

          I don't know why it changed pre-modern to pro-government!

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 12
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Counteredlogos

          Argh. And it's James K A Taylor. New phone.

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        2. Jacob Phillips‏ @Counteredlogos Jan 12
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I haven't, but I've heard similar ideas, and I know plenty of theologians (left and right) who are thrilled at the prospect (I'm not)...

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 12
          Replying to @Counteredlogos

          Good. You won't be a pre-modern then. You don't want to get rid of science, liberal democracy etc

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        4. Jacob Phillips‏ @Counteredlogos Jan 12
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Well, my view is that nothing's gonna undo science other than science itself (so no, and I don't believe theologians who say otherwise). On liberal democracy I'm more, um, explorative

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 12
          Replying to @Counteredlogos

          Science as knowledge will survive. Science as an institution is threatened in different ways by the far-right and far-left.

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        6. Jacob Phillips‏ @Counteredlogos Jan 12
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          But Newtonian physics hasn't survived. Science undid it.

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 12
          Replying to @Counteredlogos

          Yes, science is self-correcting. It holds that knowledge is always provisional and tries to falsify findings to weed out error.

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        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 12
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Counteredlogos

          Science survives. The knowledge it produces is provisional, constantly corrected & updated.

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        9. Jacob Phillips‏ @Counteredlogos Jan 12
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          But content changes method, they develop together

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        2. Jacob Phillips‏ @Counteredlogos Jan 12
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          ...it might be done - but combined with media vitriol against 'the masses' it worries me, though I might not hold the opinions in question

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 12
          Replying to @Counteredlogos

          *The masses* value science, reason, human rights, secular liberal democracy but despite this majority, people are polarising left or right in response to the loons on the other side & minimising those on their own. That was our thesis.

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        2. Jacob Phillips‏ @Counteredlogos Jan 12
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          ..ideologies premodern without implying some sort of elitism around maturity? In your writing...

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 12
          Replying to @Counteredlogos

          No. Not at all. Pre-moderns are a lunatic fringe. Our argument was that the majority of rightists value modernity.

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        1. Jacob Phillips‏ @Counteredlogos Jan 12
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Oh HIM. Yes. I don't think it's possible personally. So do you think it's possible to call a relatively wide range of...

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