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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Amy Alkon‏Verified account @amyalkon Jan 8

      Amy Alkon Retweeted tabetha ray

      My opinion is merely that we should have evidence before firing or ruining. I hold it as one who was victimized. This is called due process &it's a foundation of our justice system. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackstone%27s_formulation … "It is better that 10 guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer"https://twitter.com/TabethaRay/status/950462741315137536 …

      Amy Alkon added,

      tabetha ray @TabethaRay
      @KPCC I was listening to your interview with @AmyAlkon At first I was intrigued and thought to buy her book. Until I heard her comments on being politically correct and the #metoo movement. Then I looked up some of her other "opinions." #Fail #Ithrewupinmymouth
      15 replies 23 retweets 129 likes
    2. Amy Alkon‏Verified account @amyalkon Jan 8
      Replying to @darwinemkt @Nasseur0791

      She's being satirical. See the tweet from the woman who heard me on the radio who was horrified that I say we need meaningful evidence that people are guilty before we jail them, fire them, or otherwise ruin their lives. PS I say so as one who was victimized.

      3 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    3. Daniel Oakes‏ @DanOakesWriter Jan 8
      Replying to @amyalkon @darwinemkt @Nasseur0791

      There's a big difference between jailing and firing. Blackstone was specifically talking about the deprivation of liberty, not the court of public opinion or even a private employer. I agree that the principle is the same, but the difference in degree is very large.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Amy Alkon‏Verified account @amyalkon Jan 8
      Replying to @DanOakesWriter @darwinemkt @Nasseur0791

      I do understand that, and I take very, very seriously the deprivation of liberty. And yes, principle is the same. And thanks - love to have this sort of thing pointed out.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    5. Amy Alkon‏Verified account @amyalkon Jan 8
      Replying to @Nasseur0791 @DanOakesWriter @darwinemkt

      Believe me, I've experienced it quite recently - with people even going after my livelihood. I will stand up against that, even for people I disagree with. What happens - & look at @HPluckrose Twitterstream to find out - is that people make vastly baseless ugly accusations.

      3 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 8
      Replying to @amyalkon @Nasseur0791 and

      Oh yes. Lives can be destroyed very easily. Fortunately, no-one sane believes I am a Nazi.

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    7. Amy Alkon‏Verified account @amyalkon Jan 8
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Nasseur0791 and

      The problem comes when they call a person "racist" and stuff like that where it isn't immediately obvious that they aren't (to the surface reader). Or they take something you said/wrote out of context to make it look like you are.

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 8
      Replying to @amyalkon @Nasseur0791 and

      Yes, exactly. Something plausible. I once phrased a tweet badly so it could be read as racist rather than condemning racism & a load of people were determined to believe the worst. Fortunately, I didn't have many followers and no committed enemies then. Now it would be bad. Scary

      6:02 PM - 8 Jan 2018
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        2. Vincent Morrone Author‏ @Vince524 Jan 8
          Replying to @HPluckrose @amyalkon and

          You're talking due process, but we're only talking about attending this college, turns to we're only talking about going to college at all, turns to we're only talking about losing a job, turns to we're only talking about being branded publicly, turns to going to jail.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 8
          Replying to @Vince524 @amyalkon and

          Yes. And being publicly shamed is life-destroying even if jail isn't a possibility. My friend had a schizophrenic sister who had delusions that she had been raped & made lots of accusations. Some of those men's lives were ruined even tho they were never charged.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 8
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Vince524 and

          It wasn't her fault. She wasn't lying. She really thought it had happened. But mud sticks. I'd be very wary of a man who had been accused of rape but never charged. Different to accusations of racism but those can also tar you for life.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        5. Vincent Morrone Author‏ @Vince524 Jan 8
          Replying to @HPluckrose @amyalkon and

          The sad fact is, you can never unring that bell. People will always assume that where's there's smoke, there's fire. And too many people are too quick to dismiss baseless accusations.

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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        1. Stephen Henstock‏ @HenstockStephen Jan 8
          Replying to @HPluckrose @amyalkon and

          "a load of people were determined to believe the worst" - the perfect description of Twitter!

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