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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Akiva Cohen‏ @AkivaMCohen Jan 8
      Replying to @AkivaMCohen @HPluckrose

      considered on its merits," then wrong ideas absolutely can be (and some should be) respected. It's in contrast to, say, flat-earth theory, which is an idea that doesn't deserve to be taken seriously because it is so self-evidently flawed

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 8
      Replying to @AkivaMCohen

      I see it very differently. At the most an idea can be considered important to address seriously but I would not call this respect.

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    3. Akiva Cohen‏ @AkivaMCohen Jan 8
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Then I think you're having a semantic difference of opinion rather than a substantive one, since I doubt the person asking you "what wrong ideas do you respect" defines "respect" as applied to ideas the same way.

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 8
      Replying to @AkivaMCohen

      I think this is a problem of thinking tho. I get a bee in my bonnet about 'respect'. I think it is essential to only give respect to ideas which have validity. I am worried about the idea of respecting ideas regardless of their truth value.

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    5. Akiva Cohen‏ @AkivaMCohen Jan 8
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      But your problem seems to be with the implications some people may have for the word "respect" more than its actual content if understood in the way I (and others) use it. You agree that there are wrong ideas that are worth taking seriously (& not because of their harmfulness)

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 8
      Replying to @AkivaMCohen

      Yes, but we need to think about what we consider respect-worthy, whether it is the idea itself or the thinking that has gone into it. When a scientific consensus is overturned by new evidence, we don't stop respecting the previous work but we do stop respecting the idea.

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    7. Akiva Cohen‏ @AkivaMCohen Jan 8
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Yes ... but that's because the idea has been conclusively disproven. (Hence the lack of respect for flat-earthism). I don't think you can get to that type of conclusiveness in many cases of wrong ideas in philosophy/social sciences

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    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 8
      Replying to @AkivaMCohen

      This is true. But I still don't respect ideas unless there is some evidence of their soundness. And God is not really a philosophical or social science issue. He either exists or not. That is a scientific question.

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    9. Akiva Cohen‏ @AkivaMCohen Jan 8
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      We really do need to have that debate we talked about a while back 😀Once my custody trial is done, we're going to have it out in Aero, you hear? But no, it's not a scientific question at all, since science is the study of the existent universe and ...

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    10. Akiva Cohen‏ @AkivaMCohen Jan 8
      Replying to @AkivaMCohen @HPluckrose

      in "God" we're referencing an entity defined as the creator of that universe; you can't measure something outside of a system using tools that are internal to that system. God's existence or non-existence is something to be addressed through logic & philosophy, not science

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 8
      Replying to @AkivaMCohen

      It's an untestable proposition, yes, so it cannot be taken seriously as a hypothesis. I don't agree. There must be some evidence of God before logic can be applied to the claim) (Do you usually spell his name out in full?)

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        2. Akiva Cohen‏ @AkivaMCohen Jan 8
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I'd disagree it's an untestable hypothesis, and that there's no evidence of God - but these issues take way more characters & time than I have atm. In English, yes. "God" is the equivalent of "Hashem" as just a term to refer to the entity and no more

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        3. Akiva Cohen‏ @AkivaMCohen Jan 8
          Replying to @AkivaMCohen @HPluckrose

          (as opposed to the Hebrew "names of God" which convey information beyond referring to the entity)

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